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Perhaps part of our psychosis is that far too many first worldwide have a lot of built up tension due to physical inactivity.
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Re: Progressive Mental Disease in the US and Elsewhere
by Ibon » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 09:21:40
You know road rage, folks sitting in traffic and not moving and then freaking out.
I look at the anger and polarity we see today and compare it to road rage, instead of sitting in your vehicle not moving you are doing that in front of your computer or in front of your phone, tv, notebook, or whatever other device feeds your digital addiction.
It explains a lot. Folks aren't metabolizing and moving but they are hijacked by their cell phones or computers and they just sit there getting all pissed off.
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Re: Progressive Mental Disease in the US and Elsewhere
by Newfie » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 10:58:48
Yes I can see that. I saw it very much in myself. I got to the point where I would rather be digging a ditch than sitting in front of that computer or another brainless meeting.
I feel soo much better now that I’m retired and can actually get some good physical exercise. AND I do projects, if not very physical, at least where I can see them through from beginning to end and see some personal gain.
I also think cooking can be psychologically beneficial. It’s a beginning to end process that you control. Can be a lot of self satisfaction and sense of accomplishment in that.
I feel soo much better now that I’m retired and can actually get some good physical exercise. AND I do projects, if not very physical, at least where I can see them through from beginning to end and see some personal gain.
I also think cooking can be psychologically beneficial. It’s a beginning to end process that you control. Can be a lot of self satisfaction and sense of accomplishment in that.
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Re: Progressive Mental Disease in the US and Elsewhere
by Ibon » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 11:30:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')es I can see that. I saw it very much in myself. I got to the point where I would rather be digging a ditch than sitting in front of that computer or another brainless meeting.
I feel soo much better now that I’m retired and can actually get some good physical exercise. AND I do projects, if not very physical, at least where I can see them through from beginning to end and see some personal gain.
I also think cooking can be psychologically beneficial. It’s a beginning to end process that you control. Can be a lot of self satisfaction and sense of accomplishment in that.
I feel soo much better now that I’m retired and can actually get some good physical exercise. AND I do projects, if not very physical, at least where I can see them through from beginning to end and see some personal gain.
I also think cooking can be psychologically beneficial. It’s a beginning to end process that you control. Can be a lot of self satisfaction and sense of accomplishment in that.
You combine the lack of physical activity and then you add what is for many people an unfulfilling job and the result is not good. You bring up another point of projects and fulfilling activities like cooking. When you see a tangible result of your work there is fulfillment, unlike some service industry job where it is the repeated drudgery with zilch on creativity.
Consider all the labor jobs lost in factories, farmers , all the craftsmen , all these jobs replaced with service industry jobs where you are sitting in front of a desk and then sitting in your car commuting.
This explains a huge part of the anger and tension that feeds the polarity.
A sense of powerlessness accompanies this.
This is a mental disease.... you were right in moving this dialogue to this thread.
Now let's add that folks are trapped in these jobs because? They are in debt, imprisoned in their debt, they can't just walk away.
Some of us took a different route. But being an outlier is not representing a solution since we are the freaky weird birds like a puffin or falcon or painted bunting or marbled godwit.
Most folks are house sparrows and are stuck, not happy, but lost in a prison of their own device.
Creative fulfilled people do not have a very large appetite for expressing grievances nor do they respond to those milking grievances. On the otherhand those who are unhappy and unfulfilled resonate with someone stoking their grievances. They have a huge appetite for this because they are spiritually starving. That is not an indictment of one side or the other.
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Re: Progressive Mental Disease in the US and Elsewhere
by Newfie » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 18:41:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou combine the lack of physical activity and then you add what is for many people an unfulfilling job and the result is not good. You bring up another point of projects and fulfilling activities like cooking. When you see a tangible result of your work there is fulfillment, unlike some service industry job where it is the repeated drudgery with zilch on creativity.
When I worked in design consulting we would sometimes be hired to do a particular design and would work on it, sometimes for a whole year, only to have the Owner say “Yeah, forget about it.” That’s hard on most folks. And it transfers forward, you loose your drive to do decent work.
Slightly different, I worked hard on a job for a few years, really did the best I could. Design was accepted, no problem, and the job went out to bid to a GC. Then the Owner decided that only company X could provide the train control system. Company X knew that bias and used it to parley the Owner also giving company X the entire communications package, and the right to change the design as they saw fit. Which they did and provided a system with far fewer features. Now that was probably illegal but it’s not the first time I’ve seen that kind of crap.
On a design/build job we bid according to spec. We were not low and the job was awarded to a competitor. A couple of years later we found out that the competitor had excluded the specified station fiber optic communications systems from his bid, just left it out. The Owner later provided the Comms path via leased lines, at the Owners expense. I found this out because we were hired to rectify some other project defiencies.
I could go on and on with examples of gross negligence by the Owner and the Designer and the Owners Representatives.
That kind of shit is demoralizing. And from what I can see more common than not. It guts you and the entire industry becomes a mess. There is very little incentive to do good work, promotions and rewards are based on personality alone. It rots the industry. Clearly you can see I am bitter.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow let's add that folks are trapped in these jobs because? They are in debt, imprisoned in their debt, they can't just walk away.
Yes to all that but then there is also the medical insurance angle. People are sensitive to their medical plan, to some it’s really important. But then if they were to loose the job they also loose the medical. Now if you or a family member has a pre existing condition then changing jobs becomes very difficult. You can easily get locked into a bad employment situation, you really want to go but can’t because your family relies upon that insurance in addition to the salary.
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