[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')hat’s the thing, to counteract climate change and general resource exhaustion the economy needs to slow down, contract.

[Newfie]

Well you were doing pretty good until the last sentence.

[asg70]

So you're all for mass genocide, then, but insinuate that the republicans are the worst of the worst is wrongthink? Alrighty then.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'S')o you're all for mass genocide,

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'S')o you're all for mass genocide, then, but insinuate that the republicans are the worst of the worst is wrongthink? Alrighty then.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'S')o you're all for mass genocide, then, but insinuate that the republicans are the worst of the worst is wrongthink? Alrighty then.

[Newfie]

Nice try at deflection, didn’t work.

You accused me of favoring one party over another, which is false. You just shot your mouth off in a unjustified vile attack.

When you pause and compose you can make good posts.

[rockdoc123]

Part of the problem here is the polarized sides in the various arguments. There are certain things that most agree on:

1. oil is a non-renewable substance that eventually will become limited to the point it can no longer match demand nor provide fuel and other products the world currently thrives on

2. possible renewables such as electricity from water power or wind, nuclear etc. cannot in a short period of time offset the need for oil without a serious reset in expectations, one that is not likely possible.

3. renewables can supplant much of fuel needs currently supplied by fossil fuels, there is further work to be done regarding storage etc but this is doable with dedication to the effort

The solution (which is something I have been saying for over a decade) is to offer as many tax deductions as possible to companies looking at renewable power sources and especially storage. Giving them money upfront will result in exactly what happened with Obamas payment program to his cronies....the money dissappears and no solutions offered. There needs to be a completely independent auditor that looks at safety and environmental impact of all renewables including the impact of wind turbines on erosion, avion flight patterns etc given that replacing oil with something that is actually going to create the same amount or more damage should not be an option. As more of the oil used as fuel is supplanted with renewables that leaves more oil to be used for petrochemicals and other needs. This will not only lessen the need to produce large quantities of oil but also increase the life span of the resource. Once the momentum increases in the renewables as power source area it will take off further, eventually replacing the vast majority of fossil fuel use for power.

Having views that are widely juxtaposed only results in nothing getting done. This is something that is solvable.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ice try at deflection, didn’t work.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')The solution

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') As much as we disagree, we are more clued in to the reality of the situation than normies. So what we'd support and what they'd support are two different things. It doesn't really accomplish much for us to sit around the campfire and prescribe solutions if our prescriptions are acceptable to only 0.00001% of the population.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ice try at deflection, didn’t work.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') As much as we disagree, we are more clued in to the reality of the situation than normies. So what we'd support and what they'd support are two different things. It doesn't really accomplish much for us to sit around the campfire and prescribe solutions if our prescriptions are acceptable to only 0.00001% of the population.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'W')ith Trump in there things will be good for the next 15-20 years.

[asg70]

I'm all for:

a) rolling back citizen's united

and

b) fostering the development of 3rd parties

Until then, the system is what it is.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', ' ')Look. I don't like an obsession on politics either but I just posted in the other thread about Trump rolling back methane regulations so it's worth pointing these things out. Just because it's probably too late to save us doesn't mean we should shrug our shoulders over our leaders hitting the accelerator.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '[')
On the one hand everything seems hopeless, and perhaps it is. If it is hopeless the one might as well ignore the consequences and party on.

I prefer to think, against all rational observation, that we might get lucky, that something might occur that saves us from ourselves. Maybe a well placed meteor strike or a particularly nasty virus or something new. But something that stops our consumption in its tracks and allows some breathing room.

[Cog]

Underneath all of this talk about mitigation are petty tyrants who just can't wait to control other people's lives.

[EdwinSm]

I tried to have a detailed look at the charts, but they are so small it is hard to make out recent years in any detail, and not all of them are produced on a larger scale in the linked article.

However, on the one about democracy, there seems to have been a fall in recent years. The chart on vaccination at first glance seemed to fall, but when I used a magnifying glass I was not sure whether it has leveled off or was showing a slight fall, anyway it has stopped improving.

So it looks like we reached Peak Democracy before we reached Peak Oil. And Vaccination percentage appears to be on a plateau, which will lead to more health complications as the actual number of those not vaccinated is rising as the total world population is still rising (eg recently four European countries loosing their "measles free" status).

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'U')nderneath all of this talk about mitigation are petty tyrants who just can't wait to control other people's lives.