[KaiserJeep]

Plant, you display all signs of a hatred for Tesla, or the company founder Elon Musk, or both. I don't know what your problem is - perhaps you "invested" some cash in Tesla stock as I did an eternity ago in the Cape Wind offshore wind farm. Eventually I got over the sting of losing $7500.

So what is it, anyway? I understand that EVs are not truly competitive with ICE vehicles. Clearly they will be when gas surpasses $5/g again. Within my 35-year history in Silicon Valley, I remember the sting of $5.659/g, Regular grade. There is a reason so many EVs are sold in the valley, and they even encourage their use with single-occupancy EVs in the HOV lanes during rush hour.

Never-the-less, EVs are necessary to preservce the lifestyles of the Middle Class in the USA. Rural and suburban EVs, specificly. The cities and large towns should ban private vehicles, frankly, and encourage Uber/etc, electric bikes/scooters, and really good mass transit.

From the perspective of a retired EE, there is nothing close to Tesla vehicles, in terms of sophistication. Musk still has a lead on other EV vendors.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'P')lant, you display all signs of a hatred for Tesla, or the company founder Elon Musk, or both. I don't know what your problem is - perhaps you "invested" some cash in Tesla stock as I did an eternity ago in the Cape Wind offshore wind farm. Eventually I got over the sting of losing $7500.

So what is it, anyway?

[Plantagenet]

Tesla Model S spontaneously self-combusts while sitting in a parking garage in San Francisco

another-tesla-model-s-randomly-catches-fire-in-san-francisco-garage-report

The car wasn't charging or even plugged in. It just self-combusted.

I must confess I'm disappointed to read this since TESLA recently announced they had "fixed" the self-combustion problem. Maybe they will now issue a fix to correct their latest fix and really fix it.

Cheers!

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')The car wasn't charging or even plugged in. It just self-combusted.

I must confess I'm disappointed to read this since TESLA recently announced they had "fixed" the self-combustion problem. Maybe they will now issue a fix to correct their latest fix and really fix it.
Cheers!

[GHung]

Pulled that one right out of your arse, eh? Feel better now?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StarvingLion', 'L')ets all go to Scamerica and run a Solar Panel scam.

Ghung the Fake Solar Peasant will be proud!

Don't worry the stock won't go down, just another Mafia.

[asg70]

All I can say is it takes a special kind of incompetence to make solar panels of all things catch fire. No batteries there. The amount of delusion Tesla fanbois need to be under to maintain their unwavering support is unprecedented.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'A')ll I can say is it takes a special kind of incompetence to make solar panels of all things catch fire. No batteries there. The amount of delusion Tesla fanbois need to be under to maintain their unwavering support is unprecedented.

[GHung]

Not sure what Tesla's PV issue is. I have panels from four different manufacturers (my first 4 Siemens panels, manufacture date 10/94, still outputting at/near full rating) and have had exactly zero problems. It could be because I installed them properly myself, but there is simply not much to go wrong with the panels themselves, at least in terms of catching fire and all that. I also installed quality balance-of-system components and have had no problems beyond replacing one cooling fan on the manufacturer's recommendation, parts provided free-of-charge, post warranty period. Twenty+ years off-grid, perhaps the best investment I'll ever make.
I don't own any Tesla products, and, as with Apple, I'll never own any Tesla products (unless I get something of theirs for free just to play with and abuse). As for Musk, I'm a big fan of SpaceX. I never miss a launch. Cool factor is over the top.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'N')ot sure what Tesla's PV issue is.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'N')ot sure what Tesla's PV issue is.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Yes. Musk built, installed, wired, and personally inspected the PV arrays that caught fire? Thanks!

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'N')ot sure what Tesla's PV issue is.

[Outcast_Searcher]

Another article with more detail / background on the Tesla Solar Roof fires at Walmart.

If the allegations are even remotely true, this has to be TERRIBLE news for Tesla. And again, given the "three stooges" way the car operations are run, per incidents and customer complaints in many articles and that trend being verified by overall data from Consumer Reports, my instinct is to believe Walmart's overall side of the story.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/factbox- ... 38593.html

Oh, and this definitely makes me more cautious about solar panels on my roof in general. I was already concerned about the roof leaking / roof warranty issue. But add to that the fire risk and the way so many companies don't do consistent work (not just solar companies) generally, and this doesn't look like a no-brainer to me -- even IF the economics hold up if nothing goes wrong. (I might still consider a set for my back yard, away from the house, if the economics are right).

But of course given the amount of Musk worship that exists, I expect people will go right on having Tesla install solar panels on their houses.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'A')nother article with more detail / background on the Tesla Solar Roof fires at Walmart.

If the allegations are even remotely true, this has to be TERRIBLE news for Tesla. And again, given the "three stooges" way the car operations are run, per incidents and customer complaints in many articles and that trend being verified by overall data from Consumer Reports, my instinct is to believe Walmart's overall side of the story.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/factbox- ... 38593.html

Oh, and this definitely makes me more cautious about solar panels on my roof in general. I was already concerned about the roof leaking / roof warranty issue. But add to that the fire risk and the way so many companies don't do consistent work (not just solar companies) generally, and this doesn't look like a no-brainer to me -- even IF the economics hold up if nothing goes wrong. (I might still consider a set for my back yard, away from the house, if the economics are right).

But of course given the amount of Musk worship that exists, I expect people will go right on having Tesla install solar panels on their houses.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
') Tesla apparently didn't manufacture or install these products, only failed to fix the problems it bought into.

[asg70]

The SolarCity acquisition is a separate blunder altogether. Tesla was aware SolarCity was loaded with debt and a money-loser but there's no evidence it knew of fire-hazards. What IS clear from the data is that Tesla attempted to cut-corners, which is part of its overall modus-operandi, and naively thought nothing bad would come of it. Musk keeps thinking he doesn't have to follow established industry best-practices and each and every time that bites him in the ass.

[Plantagenet]

Now Amazon is also complaining that the solar cells that SolarCityTesla sold them are also spontaneously combusting, just like the ones sold to Wal-mart.

What is it with Musk and the self-combusting products? Is it just a coincidence that his cars sometime self-combust and so do his solar cells?


Yo Musk.....why products go boom?

Cheers!

[Plantagenet]

Vanity Fair has just published a major expose exposing the financial shenanigans Musk pulled off when he had Tesla buy Solar City (and bail him and his cousins out from huge financial losses)

how-elon-musk-gambled-tesla-to-save-solarcity

Some of the major reveals in the article:

1. The Solar City "solar roof" product that Musk hyped in 2016 to get Tesla to buy Solar City was apparently a phony mock up. To this day the product still hasn't been released and there is no date set for future release.

2. New York State invested 750 million in a Solar City factory to make the "solar roof" tiles that were never made....its possible some of that money was shifted into Tesla

3. Musk effectively controlled the TESLA Board of Directors that voted to buy Solar City---a clear conflict of interest since Musk himself had huge investments in Solar City

4. Solar City was plagued with quality control issues on its products all along...this isn't a new development.

Cheers!

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'V')anity Fair has just published a major expose exposing the financial shenanigans Musk pulled off when he had Tesla buy Solar City (and bail him and his cousins out from huge financial losses)

how-elon-musk-gambled-tesla-to-save-solarcity

Cheers!