[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't design your life around believing in this narrative.

I don't disagree with the premise but between now and then are many years still of abundance and it is a complete waste to focus on this.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yonnipun', ' ')I had a depression not long ago but that was because I did not had a girlfriend back then. I was a virgin till 30. Can you imagine what that could do to the mental state of a person? It is far more devastating than peak oil and climate change combined.

[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou poor guy. Congrats on getting past that problem.

[Cog]

@Yonnipon.

Employ the strategies in How to Be The 3% Man written by Corey Wayne and you will never lack women in your life. He also has a lot of youtube videos that explains why guys can't get women and how to correct that in your own life. Its not looks or even money. Its attitude and confidence that attract women. They can not help themselves. Attraction is not voluntary if you do your part and stop being a beta male like 97% of men are.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '@')Yonnipon.
Employ the strategies in How to Be The 3% Man written by Corey Wayne and you will never lack women in your life. He also has a lot of youtube videos that explains why guys can't get women and how to correct that in your own life. Its not looks or even money. Its attitude and confidence that attract women. They can not help themselves. Attraction is not voluntary if you do your part and stop being a beta male like 97% of men are.

[Newfie]

These last few posts make me real glad I have the Wife I do. And don’t have the first one anymore.

[Cog]

Because EnergyUnlimited, after 38 years of marriage to a fine woman, I'm a widower. From her diagnosis, to her death in our home was three months. She and I did everything we could to prolong her life with chemo but it simply didn't work. I can not bring her back. But what she did say to me a month before she passed was this "Cog I know how you are. You are an introvert and after I leave you, you will want to be become a recluse. I don't want you to do that. I want you to figure out what is important to you and go pursue it"

I want the company of a woman. To hear her laugh at my lame joke, to smile at me, to simply be there. Because I have not gave up on the concept of love still existing at my age. And also because my late wife encouraged me to find love again after she knew she was terminal.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Cog,
I am sorry to hear that.
Being ~60 you still have a chance to find a good woman (TM) because older peoples are sharing different values than Millenial generation and their successors. Women of your age group (and also older Gen X-ers) are really a different species than crap which is now in their prime age.
My advice was directed at Yonnipon, who is not as lucky as we are. His choices are very limited.
My son (24y.o.) is trying to find a wife and s*it of his age group is just plain appalling. Mind you, we live in Poland which has far more conservative (eg better) women than US does.
Still the task is hopeless. Plenty of sex out there but nothing to marry.
Fortunately my wife is Chinese and we have some contacts with her relatives on the Far East. Friends of these relatives have growing up daughters which are brought up properly, so we are in the process of arranging one for him.
Basic conditions (virginity, no tatoos, no debt, brought up in full family) will be met. Girl is also of feminine nature, knows how to cook well, keen to keep order at home etc. Also of good physical look.
Lets hope, it will work.

[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you are going to look for longer relation/marriage, all below must be satisfied:
1. Virgin
2. No tatoos
3. No debt
4. Brought up in full family (mother and father)
If you can find one like this, go ahead.

[Newfie]

IMHO girls looking for guys for stable relationships are not seeking them in bars.

Finding a suitable mate is not easy for either sex. And is a totally different thing from finding a short term sex partner.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')MHO girls looking for guys for stable relationships are not seeking them in bars.

Finding a suitable mate is not easy for either sex. And is a totally different thing from finding a short term sex partner.

[Newfie]

For guys it gets better the older you get. It’s a temporary desperation. The High School Stars often flame out and the old steadies come into their own.

Some years ago while involved at the church we were planning a New Years Eve Party. I was in the office that afternoon and took a number of phone calls from ladies who were inquiring about the party.

I had this almost exact conversation a few times.

Will there be music and dancing? Yes, recorded music.
Will there be guys to dance with? Well I don’t know, come and find out.
Will you dance with me? Of course.

Now that was a decidedly older crowd, but it speaks to a different experience.

Just went to my 50th HS reunion, about 12% of my class is dead. Mostly men. I’ve met a few women who got married late in life because it was only then they found their mate.

I’m not recommending “saving yourself” until you get old. Just saying the feeling of desperation is somewhat age related and tends to pass. But you have to preserve your humanity and humor, no one wants a mean ‘ol trump as a soul mate no matter how rich or hansom. Retaining your health is also a biggie so take care of yourself.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I concur with others regarding virtues (or rather lack of virtues) of finding girl in a bar/club.
Woman which could be found there is typically a slut.
It is to a degree demeaning for the man to court a slut, buy her drinks, be nice to her and (possibly) fend off competitors, just to get a dip.
If one want a slut, all what he need to do is finding a prostitute according to his taste. It will be much simpler, less time consuming and usually cheaper as well.
Places like Tinder on the other hand are for losers too. It is a portal where bottom 80% of male losers are chasing bottom 20% of female losers.

What I would advise?
Avoid modern western women at all cost, unless you find one who shares your worldviews and hobbies and meet all important points mentioned before (brought up by both parents, presence of hymen and absence of debt and tatoos).
Religious devotee of far right tilt whom you have met first time on a shooting range or in diving club might be a good bet.
In Poland for example some young girls are getting alarmed that they are going to end up with no families, used and discarded by many. They are forming so called *iron ring circles* and they swear to give their virginity only to a husband. Major drawback is that most of them are catholic devotees and can be tedious to those who do not take religion very seriously, as is my case.
Other source of good and faithful girls here are *slavic neopagans*. These are very patriotic and right wing to the extreme. They also value their bodies so they don't spread up legs easily, they despise modern life style, hate feminism and are good candidates for a man of a Viking mindset (Viking, not Swedish ). Most are beautiful too. Drawback - rare (and in case of my son out of range - he is half Chinese).
These examples are given to show that category of *white female suitable for long term relation* is a very challenging one for time being, particulrly for Millenials and younger men.

By myself I got my wife an easy way.
Chinese girl met on university campus easily offered all the qualities I needed and no serious troubles was encountered during my over 25 years long marriage, despite that sometimes I was doing certain things which most of wives sincerely hate... and got away with it.
I have to be watchful though - have to do periodical brainwashing to make sure that she stays convinced that European culture is far *inferior* to her own and not worth pursuing.
This is ensuring that she does not mix much with local women and they are unable to defile her. Anyway, she knows that they are *sluts*.
Chinese culture is good for a resourceful man.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yonnipun', 'I') also deep in my heart can not belive that my girlfriend could leave or betray me.

[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')orrect. And neither should a guy look for women in bars unless he is just looking for a hook up. Women hang out in a lot of places besides bars. You should be in those places so you are in their view and their attraction.

[Newfie]

Interesting observation there about who follows whom. There once was an Indian practice, Sati, where women voluntarily immolated themselves on their husband pyre or otherwise took their own life on his passing.

This demonstrates the cultural nature of such basis.

The message is to look for a mate who shares your culture. Which also requires you belong to a culture that includes women of the sort you seek.

[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')nteresting observation there about who follows whom. There once was an Indian practice, Sati, where women voluntarily immolated themselves on their husband pyre or otherwise took their own life on his passing.

This demonstrates the cultural nature of such basis.

The message is to look for a mate who shares your culture. Which also requires you belong to a culture that includes women of the sort you seek.

[dohboi]

Is it possible for the mods to separate out this hormonal discussion to another thread? Maybe in another part of the forum?

Thanks ahead of time.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he trouble with this approach is that it does not change the way woman are and think. If you bring them to west then eventually they get spoiled and may leave you for a better option. But of course it is a better option than to do nothing at all.

[Plantagenet]

My condolences to you, Cog.

Life can be very unfair.

But you've got a lot of good years left and you've got the all-important "alpha male" vibe working for you.

Good luck and best wishes.

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[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'M')y condolences to you, Cog.

Life can be very unfair.

But you've got a lot of good years left and you've got the all-important "alpha male" vibe working for you.

Good luck and best wishes.

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