[Ibon]

Globalization and internet was a powerful force homogenizing the planets inhabitants into a single monoculture of consumers.

The forced compliance in adapting to constraints will actually act as an apposing force in many countries to this assimilation and homogenization of culture that we have seen with globalization.

We are feeling the initial strain.

Think of this on the macro scale, these past couple of decades of cultural homogenization and globlization and the rise of global consumer culture. The emergence of powerful multi national corporations, the power of the global banking industry, consolidations like the forming of the EU to better manage this homogenization.

I would say we have passed Peak Homogenization and the specific events that are pulling in the other direction are beginning to reveal themselves. Brexit, Immigration, even the election of Trump has components that feed into this, rising nationalism, re emergence of racism that was only in recessive remission but has bloomed like a Herpes Cold Sore on the genitals of white nationalists who fear the fecundity of brown immigrants.

Forces bind and forces pull apart in big sweeping movements through time.

[Newfie]

Tell that to the White Nationalist in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

We may have taught them but they were willing and adept students.

It ain’t a out being white, black, or rainbow; it’s about being human. Especially if you believe all human races difference is only skin deep.

Ever read Guns, Germs and Steel? It’s a great case why the “white race” is not superior, just lucky. It works both ways, we are not to blame, we just got lucky, anyone else would have done the same thing. Any other argument is racist.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')ell that to the White Nationalist in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

We may have taught them but they were willing and adept students.

It ain’t a out being white, black, or rainbow; it’s about being human. Especially if you believe all human races difference is only skin deep.

Ever read Guns, Germs and Steel? It’s a great case why the “white race” is not superior, just lucky. It works both ways, we are not to blame, we just got lucky, anyone else would have done the same thing. Any other argument is racist.

[diemos]

Humans are tribal.

When times are good and everyone's belly is full it's easy to tolerate the funny foreigners. But as soon as the resources run out people will divide up along tribal lines and fight each other for the resources that remain.

[Newfie]

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')re emergence of racism that was only in recessive remission but has bloomed like a Herpes Cold Sore on the genitals of white nationalists who fear the fecundity of brown immigrants.

[Cog]

Its not about their skin color, its how they end up voting. First generation Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for more government and more socialism. I.E. for Democrats. Why do you think the Democrats want open borders and massive amnesty for illegals? Its not because they are conservatives who respect the Constitution.

Class. Please raise your hands if you think Democrats would want open borders and amnesty if the new immigrants voted overwhelmingly for Republicans.

What the leaders of the Democratic Socialists want is a dependable permanent underclass of voters. They seek to duplicate what is the prevalent model in south and central America. That being an elite that controls all the wealth and the poor who pretty much can vote only vote for socialist candidate A or socialist candidate B. That is the plan underway right now and its somewhat working for them.

[Ibon]

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')re emergence of racism that was only in recessive remission but has bloomed like a Herpes Cold Sore on the genitals of white nationalists who fear the fecundity of brown immigrants.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Racist and nationalist sentiments are becoming culturally acceptable.

[Cog]

Democrats love playing identity politics. By framing all white people as inherently racist, they can de-legitimize their point of view entirely or reframe the argument to suit themselves.

Try to control immigration=racist
Build a wall=racist
Deport an illegal=racist
ID to vote=racist

Its an intellectually lazy way to debate policy. Just call someone racist. Its easy and require no thought.

[onlooker]

Since thread is about Eco-footprint, it bears noting, that whether you are white or not, racist or not, liberal or conservative, we all once we live in this country are having a similar high impact on the Earth. So, we should keep this in mind going forward as the Overshoot Predator will not make any distinctions like these either. Remember the Black Plague afflicted the high and low fairly equally. Tanada may come to correct me, but that is what I heard.

[Newfie]

Onlooker.

Exactly. Which is eh I think that race does not deserve a seat within this discussion.

I understand racism is an issue. I am organized around by 5 BIG issues ( AGE, resource depletion, global financial, resistant bugs, over pop). None of them are within themselves a social issue. Discussing them does not involve race. Fixing any one of them will effect the others and will also improve social justice matters.

But we loose focus on the core issues and derail into name calling.

Eco mitigation knows no color or political identity.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')nlooker.

Exactly. Which is eh I think that race does not deserve a seat within this discussion.

I understand racism is an issue. I am organized around by 5 BIG issues ( AGE, resource depletion, global financial, resistant bugs, over pop). None of them are within themselves a social issue. Discussing them does not involve race. Fixing any one of them will effect the others and will also improve social justice matters.

But we loose focus on the core issues and derail into name calling.

Eco mitigation knows no color or political identity.

[Newfie]

Maybe best to do both.

[onlooker]

Ibon, no doubt human agency will always play a role. But, in the background the intractable LTG issues are what will define the challenges and how fast they cause collapse scenarios. We will just be reacting in a better or worse way to them or if you prefer in more or less selfish/altruistic manner

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')bon, no doubt human agency will always play a role. But, in the background the intractable LTG issues are what will define the challenges and how fast they cause collapse scenarios. We will just be reacting in a better or worse way to them or if you prefer in more or less selfish/altruistic manner

[Ibon]

As despicable as I found the racism of some of our Russian entomologists I mentioned that it was refreshing. Because they were genuinely so unconflicted about holding this position. Racist but clean in their racism if such a thing can be possible. Think about this under the lens of human overshoot.

[KaiserJeep]

Ibon, in your posts above, you used the pronoun "we" repeatedly. In fact, there is no "we", unless you were speaking of a mouse in your shirt pocket. Each and every individual among 7.7B humans has a unique take on our problems, and a unique definition of "we", including themselves and colored by personal wants and desires.

However desperately you may wish it were not so, this will remain true, and every proposed solution to any aspect of our collective problems will either support all of the definitions of "we", or fail.

The "success" that "we" enjoyed is all in the past, the realization of how completely "we" are screwed by our own "natures" is in the present, and everything that "we" can reasonably expect out of the future is very aptly described as some form of failure.

Heck, I'll bet you didn't even know that "aptly" was a word. I was SO RIGHT playing Scrabble last night.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', ' ') Each and every individual among 7.7B humans has a unique take on our problems, and a unique definition of "we", including themselves and colored by personal wants and desires..

[Pops]

Free, effective, modern contraception is the only thing that can save us from overpopulation, degradation, LTG, etc. It is indicative of the old male demographic here that we talk of the need to "educate" the womens so they don't ruin our world with unwanted babies. MQ was a prime example, and yes I told him so.

And yes this too is a partisan thing, because it riles up both sides to the advantage of politicians. It's right up there with air & water quality, energy efficiency, co2 emissions and all those other "wedge" issues that a majority want but the ownership doesn't. In this case it isn't profits, it is pure politics, Rs fight tooth and nail against even contraception because it motivates "the base." Meanwhile 2/3 of the population doesn't want Roe overturned. .

One of the USs most divisive tactics since the 70s has been abortion, and though all the draconian 'trans-vaginal ultrasound' laws certainly have had some effect, especially on poor women who can't fly off to Paris for a "vacation," the thing that drove abortions to the lowest rate ever is that women don't need them, because they don't get pregnant, because they have control.


https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/10/ ... -worldwide

Wealth and "education" are small factors. Another example of backward looking misogyny cum "religious" dogma masquerading as enlightened thought, but simply an excuse to blame women for not keeping their knees together.

Free distribution of effective birth control and limiting corporate greed and power to pollute is the only thing that will save us. All the hobby-conservation and virtue-signaling of the wealthy won't do squat in the face of a politics operated for the benefit of a vanishingly few owners.

Vote your hopes not your fears
.

[Ibon]

Maybe this is one of those unintended benefits of the internet......

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... on/573949/

But despite all this, American teenagers and young adults are having less sex.

To the relief of many parents, educators, and clergy members who care about the health and well-being of young people, teens are launching their sex lives later. From 1991 to 2017, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Youth Risk Behavior Survey finds, the percentage of high-school students who’d had intercourse dropped from 54 to 40 percent. In other words, in the space of a generation, sex has gone from something most high-school students have experienced to something most haven’t. (And no, they aren’t having oral sex instead—that rate hasn’t changed much.)

Meanwhile, the U.S. teen pregnancy rate has plummeted to a third of its modern high. When this decline started, in the 1990s, it was widely and rightly embraced. But now some observers are beginning to wonder whether an unambiguously good thing might have roots in less salubrious developments. Signs are gathering that the delay in teen sex may have been the first indication of a broader withdrawal from physical intimacy that extends well into adulthood.

Over the past few years, Jean M. Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University, has published research exploring how and why Americans’ sex lives may be ebbing. In a series of journal articles and in her latest book, iGen, she notes that today’s young adults are on track to have fewer sex partners than members of the two preceding generations. People now in their early 20s are two and a half times as likely to be abstinent as Gen Xers were at that age; 15 percent report having had no sex since they reached adulthood.