[Denny]

Killjoy, is your pic that of the psycho from New England who crossed the border from New Brunswick to Maine with a bloody chainsaw and knives? Turned out he'd allegedly murdered a couple in Dieppe?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Badger', 'D')o you know what guerrillas often say? They claim that their rebellions are invulnerable to economic warfare because they have no economy, that they are parasitic on those that they would overthrow. The fools merely fail to assess the coin in which they must inevitably pay. The pattern is inexorable in its degenerative failures. You see it repeated in the systems of slavery, of welfare states, of caste ridden religions, of socializing bureacracies-in any system which creates and maintains dependencies. Too long a parasite and you cannot exist without a host.

DUNE- The stolen journals

[savethehumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho needs plans? The invisible hand of the free market will guide soldiers where they are needed the most!

[Jdelagado]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou look like a psycho in that picture, dude

[Wildwell]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of the U.S. public doubts the United States will win the war in Iraq and believes the Bush administration deliberately misled Americans over Iraq's weapons capabilities, according to a USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll.

The poll in Wednesday's USA Today also showed that despite the doubts, a majority believes it was right to send troops to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

It was the first time that the poll found that more than half of Americans -- 51 percent -- believed the administration was deliberately misleading when it asserted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, USA Today said.

U.S.-Israel tensions rise over arms sale -report

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has canceled a trip to Washington because of a row with the United States over Israeli arms sales to China, the newspaper Haaretz said on Wednesday.

Washington, Israel's closest ally and provider of $2 billion in annual defense aid, was still restricting arms deals with Israel in the dispute. The United States demands Israel adhere to U.S. regulations.

US may sharply cut Iraq force within year -general

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States hopes to sharply reduce its forces in Iraq within the next year, its top commander on the ground said on Wednesday.

"I do believe that if the political process continues to go positively, if the developments with the (Iraqi) security forces continue to go as it is going, I do believe we will still be able to make fairly substantial reductions after these elections in the spring and summer of next year," General George Casey said at a briefing with visiting Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Doubts link

Israel link

Pullout link

Geoff Hoon (defence): 'We failed to predict the sheer level of violence in post-war Iraq'

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pr ... 301410.ece

[Carlhole]

From: The Nation

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rep. Ron Paul, TX', 'W')e should remember that losing a war to China over control of North Korea ultimately did not enhance communism in China, as she now has accepted many capitalist principles. In fact, China today outproduces us in many ways-- as reflected by our negative trade balance with her.

We lost a war in Vietnam, and the domino theory that communism would spread throughout southeast Asia was proven wrong. Today, Vietnam accepts American investment dollars and technology. We maintain a trade relationship with Vietnam that the war never achieved.

We contained the USSR and her thousands of nuclear warheads without military confrontation, leading to the collapse and disintegration of a powerful Soviet empire. Today we trade with Russia and her neighbors, as the market economy spreads throughout the world without the use of arms.

We should heed the words of Ronald Reagan about his experience with a needless and mistaken military occupation of Lebanon. Sending troops into Lebanon seemed like a good idea in 1983, but in 1990 President Reagan said this in his memoirs: "…we did not appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle… In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believed the last thing we should do was turn tail and leave… yet, the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there.

[Carlhole]

Prison Planet

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scott Ritter Interview', 'F')ormer UN Weapons Inspector: Don't Rule Out Staged Government Terror
Ritter says Neo-Cons are embattled, surrounded, could resort to desperate measures to further global domination

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | October 24 2005

Former United Nations weapons inspector and Marine Scott Ritter appeared on The Alex Jones Show and stated that he wouldn't rule out the possibility of the Bush administration staging a terror attack in order to jolt a wavering foreign policy agenda back on track.

Ritter compared the atmosphere within the administration to that during the time of Watergate, where Nixon considered utilizing America's nuclear arsenal to create a devastating diversion from domestic calamity.

"Nothing this administration would do would surprise me, they're desperate right now."

[Jake_old]

just my 2c

I believe the plan for Iraq was to not have a plan.

Simply destabalise the country and thus other countries in the region. This prevents them from formulating some sensible mutual direction, and therefore prevents the oil rich ME from becoming powerful in the future.

Its a tough call, my opinion of it seems to change almost daily. I had been thinking that the leaders (neocons whatever) hadn't got a clue what to do.

It seems all they care about now is staying in power.

Hearing about the British soldiers arrested in Basra was troubling to say the least, since then I've gone back to the 'the plan was to have no plan' theory.

I like that Ron Paul though, from what I've heard and read, I understand the case for exit, but whats the strategy?

[EnemyCombatant]

Ron Paul is one of the few patriots in Congress.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'H')earing about the British soldiers arrested in Basra was troubling to say the least, since then I've gone back to the 'the plan was to have no plan' theory.

I like that Ron Paul though, from what I've heard and read, I understand the case for exit, but whats the strategy?

[Jake_old]

Yes thanks, I've seen The Corporation, very interesting.

I know what you are taliking about, I choose not really to discuss the corporate agenda becuse I have a fragile ego.

I hate being called a loony, crazy whatever.

In fact I hate anybody being refered to as such.

I'm not worried too much about it, same as you I think, I don't think the plan will work either.

You just can't have a sensible discussion in the real world about these issues, not in UK anyway

[Carlhole]

Wow! It just won't quit today.

From Truthout: The Bunker Mentality by William Rivers Pitt

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pitt', ' ') I wrote to Ambassador Joseph Wilson last week to ask how he and his wife were bearing up, and to remind them that they had a lot of friends. "The outpouring of support has been of great comfort to us these past two years," he wrote back. "The stakes are enormous. This is all about whether our government can take us to war on lies without any fear of being held to account, and whether our democracy can survive the coalition of fascist forces that have seized control of the levers of power."

Heavy stuff. Yet if the desperation we are seeing on the part of defenders of this administration offers any clue, the fascists are running out of explanations...

[horsestoaster]

I recently read a prominent general was quoted as saying an insurgency generally takes an average of nine years to put down.SO do we have 6 more years of sending our sons and daughters to fight for oil that may be depleted before we can get our greedy little gas nozzles on it?I've got 2 sons and one of 'em is 15 and I've programmed him to be a farrier.Instead of buying him an anvil do I get him a new identity instead? This sucks.Those of us with kids who are aware of PO are not only facing that are we going to have to hide our kids from this greedy bleepin' government too?Who else out there has had these scary little thoughts?

[TITAN]

Don't worry so much, this government is about to go bankrupt. They certainly can't afford to fund a draft. Besides, they have other plans, Iraq is just a distraction...

Get a concealed weapons permit and keep a loaded handgun on you as often as possible...I do...

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'G')et a concealed weapons permit and keep a loaded handgun on you as often as possible...I do...

[mekrob]

Because when it comes to fighting off a government that has napalm and cruise missles, nothing works like a handgun.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'B')ecause when it comes to fighting off a government that has napalm and cruise missles, nothing works like a handgun.

[TITAN]

I seriously doubt a government, even one as idiotic as this one, is going to use millions of dollars of munititons just to enforce a draft order. That is why a simple handgun should suffice...And possibly a few high powered hunting rifles that are sighted to 600 yards...

[Kickinthegob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'I') seriously doubt a government, even one as idiotic as this one, is going to use millions of dollars of munititons just to enforce a draft order.

[TITAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kickinthegob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'I') seriously doubt a government, even one as idiotic as this one, is going to use millions of dollars of munititons just to enforce a draft order.