[Revi]

I am just reading this book. It's got short chapters, but I am reading just one or two at a time because it's so intense.

Below is an article that was used as the basis for the book which just came out this year.

The reality is that we are headed for around 4 degrees by the end of the century. We are already in a climate crisis.
Most of the plans to keep us under 2 degrees C rely on negative emissions, which don't exist yet.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/ ... umans.html

[Cog]

The 7 billion plus who inhabit it now, would disagree with your conclusions about habitability.

[Revi]

Thanks for weighing in Cog. I hope it's habitable in 10 or 20 years.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')Most of the plans to keep us under 2 degrees C rely on negative emissions, which don't exist yet.

[Plantagenet]

Thanks for the links, Revi

Did you see that Trump is putting together a crack team of climate change deniers to advise him? Or maybe that should be a crackpot team....

God help us all.

[Revi]

It's really interesting to think about. We are told that we can't do anything about our own suicidal trajectory because it might hurt the economy. What good is an "economy" when there is no place to spend it? This system helps some of us out, but the lines of refugees aren't going to partake of it.

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t's really interesting to think about. We are told that we can't do anything about our own suicidal trajectory because it might hurt the economy. What good is an "economy" when there is no place to spend it? This system helps some of us out, but the lines of refugees aren't going to partake of it.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') am just reading this book. It's got short chapters, but I am reading just one or two at a time because it's so intense.

Below is an article that was used as the basis for the book which just came out this year.

The reality is that we are headed for around 4 degrees by the end of the century. We are already in a climate crisis.
Most of the plans to keep us under 2 degrees C rely on negative emissions, which don't exist yet.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/ ... umans.html

[Cog]

I think we are supposed to believe that humans ended the last glaciation period. That any warming that melted all the ice that was sitting over North America was our fault.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') think we are supposed to believe that humans ended the last glaciation period. That any warming that melted all the ice that was sitting over North America was our fault.

[Newfie]

KJ,

Either way we are looking at a significant population drop. Which path would produce less drop? That’s my question to you.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') think we are supposed to believe that humans ended the last glaciation period. That any warming that melted all the ice that was sitting over North America was our fault.

[Newfie]

I’m smart enough to not make silly predictions as above. And yes they are political, they should shut their traps because they give folks like you ammo. And I agree that opportunists have latched into AWG to use it for their own ends. If AOC wants to assitnthe AGW movement she should see her mouth shut.

But there is a good chance you will see an ice free ocean in your lifetime. You have already seen Antarctic ice shelf’s disintegrate and glaciers are in full retreat. Artic ice continues to have less exten, be thinner, and now almost all multi year ice is gone. Waters that were traditionally blocked by ice until late June/Mid July are now open in May. 1st hand experience.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')I'd say I'm more credible than Al Gore who predicted in 2008 that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013, or John Kerry who predicted in 2009 that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2014. But I'm not a smart Democrat politician like they are. I'm just a deplorable not worthy of consideration.

[Newfie]

Cog,

Your pity party wears old. Folks here are trying to discuss some technical matters, not politics.

It would be nice to have you join the conversation.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he 7 billion plus who inhabit it now, would disagree with your conclusions about habitability.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') think we are supposed to believe that humans ended the last glaciation period. That any warming that melted all the ice that was sitting over North America was our fault.

[Revi]

The end of the book is a all about the psychology of climate change. Those of us who tried to get people interested in peak oil understand the various different forms of denial or nihilism. It's a natural reaction to the huge predicament that we have put ourselves in. Read one or two chapters a night of the first 12. Otherwise it will be overwhelming. The whole end of the book can be read in one sitting however!

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')
I'd say I'm more credible than Al Gore who predicted in 2008 that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013, or John Kerry who predicted in 2009 that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2014. But I'm not a smart Democrat politician like they are. I'm just a deplorable not worthy of consideration.

[Newfie]

Those little thought experiments can be devilish. Sometimes wrong, it sometimes profound. Good on you, that’s a sweet one.