[Cog]

Well we know who wasn't prescient on the price of WTI oil don't we?

[onlooker]

Okay on the basis of facts can anyone refute what I am saying here:
Civilization Collapse will occur. It is looking more and more likely with each passing day. Remember it is converging catastrophes and discontinuities we are looking at. Unlike past times, we have overshot the carrying capacity of the ENTIRE earth. Physics and immutable laws inform us that a finite planet cannot continue to support an ever expanding mass of humans and their commensurate impact on the planet. The Environment is being severely degraded and depleted with regard to sustaining current human population levels. We are also stuck with a Socio-political/economic system that seems unresponsive to the level of threat we face. We have a misinformed and underinformed populace partly due to ignorance but also propaganda. Civilization cannot remain viable when the environment and its life giving functions begins to seriously falter. Certainly not a Civilization with so many people and so complex. Die offs, resource scarcity and subsequent conflict, Pandemics all will severely strain the viability and cohesion of human ecosystems and societies. It is also ironic that while this is a peak oil site, it is appearing more and more that the tipping point will be environmental as people succumb directly to environmental catastrophe or indirectly as Economics and prices reflect an environment that can no longer sustain so many humans. And finally to this appeal to technology is pure hubris. In societies reeling from all kinds of problems of varying intensity, how can one expect that the resources like money, time, expertise, manpower, energy and cooperation be marshalled under these circumstances. Highly unlikey.

[Cog]

I see no environmental catastrophes underway. Where are they and why aren't millions dying of them?

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see no environmental catastrophes underway. Where are they and why aren't millions dying of them?

[asg70]

I see Desdemona Despair is still at it. The best place to go if you want to be driven to suicide.

Oh, and Plant should read the most recent article before he goes off on Obama's environmental record again.

[Cog]

Desmondiadespair? LOL



My best advice is to live every day as a new adventure. You never know when death will come knocking. Quit worrying about doom and simply enjoy what you have.

[onlooker]

Did it ever occur to yall that because I talk about "doom" alot, it means I am not so worried about it. As soneone once said " They're is nothing to fear but fear itself"

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see no environmental catastrophes underway. Where are they and why aren't millions dying of them?

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ook, I appreciate and respect the varying set of beliefs , opinions and expertise/wisdom in this site. Most of us are older folks and I do believe experience and age does endow one with wisdom and understanding.
Regarding the doom we simply have different perspectives and opinions. In the extremes we have Shorty espousing near term PO doom and Cid Yama near term Climate Change doom. On the other side, we have Kaiser saying things will progressively get worse but slowly and steadily. And a few who do not see PO doom or see it happening only at a more distant time frame. Nobody seems to be budging much from their positions. Only time will tell who has been more prescient

[onlooker]

Short, you speak in the technical vernacular of the Oil Industry. You personally and your site/group has not indicated any direct relation with the oil industry and you have not engaged in widespread solicitation/selling. That harvests in me a certain degree of trust. I hope you are wrong but think you may just be right.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', ' ')I have baby eagles dying 10 miles from my home as a result of mercury toxicity that was blown into this area during the 1950s and 60s from coal fired power plants in the Mid West. My self, and several others spent days paddling up and down a local river to collect samples. I saw and examined the lab results. Yes, we have undoubtedly poisoned a great area of the planet beyond its ability to recover.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see no environmental catastrophes underway. Where are they and why aren't millions dying of them?

[Newfie]

The iPOS would not let me paste into the above message, so here are a few links if you care to read.

https://gpinvestigations.pri.org/overfi ... b5d0c9a686

https://impakter.com/overfishing-climate-change-hunger/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... atened-too

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46017359

[KaiserJeep]

About Farly Mowat. He writes total BS but with style and talent. I became aware of his deceptions back in the early 1970s when I spent a year at an isolated LORAN-C station in Port Clarence, AK.

You see, we had a problem with wolves. We also had a first edition of Mowat's Never Cry Wolf. Virtually everything in the book was total BS, he could get nothing right. Far from being noble animals, wolves were killers that would attack anything, just for the fun of killing. We came across caribou calves and baby seals they had mutilated, then lost interest in.

As it turned out, Mowat was hired as a naturalist but never actually worked the job. He went to where his studies were supposed to take place, appropriated the work of another, and published them. Then he abandonned his job, spending less than two months in the area and publishing memoirs that said he was there for more than a year.

Farley Mowat's nickname among Canadians who know hin is "Hardly Knows It".

https://thecuriouspeople.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/when-a-favorite-writer-has-been-bs-ing-you/

[Newfie]

Yes KJ, Farley loved a good story. He is capable of telling tall tales, but also of carefully written books. So was Asimov.

The book I’m discussing was very well researched and written. It’s not a tall tale, it’s a historical account. So unless you have specific contradictions with facts to back it up I’ll stick by Farley on this one.

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ald Eagles, Peregrine Falcons and Brown Pelicans (west coast population) suffered population crashes back in the 60's and 70's due to the bio accumulation of pesticides that were afterwards banned.

[Yonnipun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey directly have no more impact to wild game than they do to humans. A few more cancers from time to time.

[vtsnowedin]

Now it is getting real. They have contaminated my beer supply.
"You wheelize of course ZEEHIS MEANS WAR!"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') new report by the public-interest advocacy group U.S. PIRG reveals that tests of five wines and 15 beers, including organic ones, found traces of the controversial weed killer glyphosate in 19 out of the 20.

They include brands like Coors Light, Miller Lite, Budweiser, Corona, Heineken, Guinness, Stella Artois and Samuel Adams.

“The levels of glyphosate we found are not necessarily dangerous but are still concerning given the potential health risks,” U.S. PIRG said.

Glyphosate, a pesticide and herbicide best known as an ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup, is a probable human carcinogen, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of the World Health Organization.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', ' ')At the present rate that human male sperm count is falling our species will be going extinct in a few generations. It has fallen 50% in the last 40 years.

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o credible citations