[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')bon, the Corporations are currently making too much profit to willingly change. And since the Govt aids and abets the corporations, nothing much changes. They afterall are prime movers of society. But I do expect big changes to happen once peak oil really bites.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')bon, the Corporations are currently making too much profit to willingly change. And since the Govt aids and abets the corporations, nothing much changes. They afterall are prime movers of society. But I do expect big changes to happen once peak oil really bites.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')bon, the Corporations are currently making too much profit to willingly change. And since the Govt aids and abets the corporations, nothing much changes. They afterall are prime movers of society. But I do expect big changes to happen once peak oil really bites.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') And further technological breakthroughs to better locate and extract oil are unlikely to help either. That's because technology uses energy rather than creates it. It won't change the energy equation.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') And further technological breakthroughs to better locate and extract oil are unlikely to help either. That's because technology uses energy rather than creates it. It won't change the energy equation.

[onlooker]

Asg, these set of problems have not gone away. They are only getting worse and approaching their denouement. You guys just sit back and say well the world is not going to hell, so everything is okay. You are not acknowledging the trajectory and building stresses. So, you and others may call my links old or useless, but that is your useless ignorant opinions.

[Cog]

Excellent use of the word denouement although your conclusions are seriously jacked up.

[Newfie]

Exactly how are they “jacked up”?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'E')xactly how are they “jacked up”?

[Newfie]

Does doom happen when the Dr. tells you “Sir, you have stage 4 lung cancer. Statistics say you have 6 more months of relative comfort, but you will surely be dead within 28 months.” Or does doom occur when you draw your last breath?

You have a difference of opinion about the future is all. And I’m not even sure how different that is. You have spent a fair amount of time, effort, and money on prepping for some upcoming event. Apparently an event where you expect some level of civil war where you find a sufficient likelyhood that you have armed yourself. In my book that’s a rather doomerish outlook, effectively moreso than mine.

Perhaps it’s all a point of view.

[Ibon]

There is a certain degree of living a split reality in regards to ones perspective of upcoming external calamities. If I would have actually acted on my beliefs 15 years ago I would not have gotten involved in a coastal eco villa project in Thailand, nor would I have bought South Florida properties and nor would I have exposed myself to the discretionary spending of tourism here in Panama. Instabilities hit discretionary spending first and the threat of sea level rise one would think would have effected coastal real estate. All the investments have proven profitable, our high season this year will break records, there is nothing on the horizon that I see that will slow down the visitor count. The unseasonable dry spell here has broken, rains have come, the cloud forest is healthy, jaguars and tapirs and keystone species are still here, etc. etc.

I look at Ibon in the 3rd person because he is an internet forum identity that indulges in the ecological calamities and consequences that are up and coming. Often with quite misanthropic points of view.

The real organic me is a friendly host serving guests, excited about sharing nature with others. I almost never talk about ecological doom with guests unless they bring up the topic, and even then I refrain from giving them the full Ibon.......

Am I the only one split here?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')oes doom happen when the Dr. tells you “Sir, you have stage 4 lung cancer. Statistics say you have 6 more months of relative comfort, but you will surely be dead within 28 months.” Or does doom occur when you draw your last breath?

You have a difference of opinion about the future is all. And I’m not even sure how different that is. You have spent a fair amount of time, effort, and money on prepping for some upcoming event. Apparently an event where you expect some level of civil war where you find a sufficient likelyhood that you have armed yourself. In my book that’s a rather doomerish outlook, effectively moreso than mine.

Perhaps it’s all a point of view.

[derhundistlos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', ' ')I see no evidence of doom in the near future, as defined as in the next 40 years, on the horizon.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')here is a certain degree of living a split reality in regards to ones perspective of upcoming external calamities. If I would have actually acted on my beliefs 15 years ago I would not have gotten involved in a coastal eco villa project in Thailand, nor would I have bought South Florida properties and nor would I have exposed myself to the discretionary spending of tourism here in Panama. Instabilities hit discretionary spending first and the threat of sea level rise one would think would have effected coastal real estate. All the investments have proven profitable, our high season this year will break records, there is nothing on the horizon that I see that will slow down the visitor count. The unseasonable dry spell here has broken, rains have come, the cloud forest is healthy, jaguars and tapirs and keystone species are still here, etc. etc.

I look at Ibon in the 3rd person because he is an internet forum identity that indulges in the ecological calamities and consequences that are up and coming. Often with quite misanthropic points of view.

The real organic me is a friendly host serving guests, excited about sharing nature with others. I almost never talk about ecological doom with guests unless they bring up the topic, and even then I refrain from giving them the full Ibon.......

Am I the only one split here?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')oes doom happen when the Dr. tells you “Sir, you have stage 4 lung cancer. Statistics say you have 6 more months of relative comfort, but you will surely be dead within 28 months.” Or does doom occur when you draw your last breath?

You have a difference of opinion about the future is all. And I’m not even sure how different that is. You have spent a fair amount of time, effort, and money on prepping for some upcoming event. Apparently an event where you expect some level of civil war where you find a sufficient likelyhood that you have armed yourself. In my book that’s a rather doomerish outlook, effectively moreso than mine.

Perhaps it’s all a point of view.

[Cog]

I do not buy peak oil doom, climate change doom, or economic doom in the near term. However I do see a serious flirtation with socialism ending in disaster for the USA. That is a sort of doom I suppose and a great deal of violence over that is not out of the question. Depends on whether the electorate can see the danger in proceeding down that path.

Now long term peak oil is going to be a serious issue. But its not now and won't be for quite some time. And climate change. Again, its a long term problem but not in my lifetime.

[derhundistlos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', ' ')However I do see a serious flirtation with socialism ending in disaster for the USA. That is a sort of doom I suppose and a great deal of violence over that is not out of the question.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Am I the only one split here?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') do not buy peak oil doom, climate change doom, or economic doom in the near term. However I do see a serious flirtation with socialism ending in disaster for the USA. That is a sort of doom I suppose and a great deal of violence over that is not out of the question. Depends on whether the electorate can see the danger in proceeding down that path.

Now long term peak oil is going to be a serious issue. But its not now and won't be for quite some time. And climate change. Again, its a long term problem but not in my lifetime.

[Cog]

The deal is Newfie I'm a low consumer of products. Not because I'm environmentally woke but because I'm cheap. I suppose it works out the same.