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Dupe

[Cog]

LOL Ibon wants to start a eugenics program and calls me the racist. That is rich.

[Outcast_Searcher]

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I don't see the problem, until people want and expect a bunch of stuff they didn't earn.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ook trying to shuffle off your low educated, criminal and disease ridden population, who couldn't even cut the mustard in their home country, is a great plan for central America, but the US doesn't want to be part of it.

[Cog]

Here comes another wad of those illegals that Ibon says we need for breeding purposes. 15,000 this time.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... 2d1bf07b44

MEXICO CITY — Another migrant caravan is forming in Honduras, with plans to set out next week on a journey that will once again test the immigration policies of Mexico and the United States.

In much the way last year’s Central American caravan originated, a flier is circulating on Honduran social media. “We’re looking for refuge,” it says. “In Honduras, we are being killed.” It advertises a 5 a.m. departure Jan. 15 from the northern city of San Pedro Sula.

The Mexican government says it is preparing for the group’s arrival.

“We have information that a new caravan is forming to enter our country in mid-January,” Olga Sánchez Cordero, the interior minister, said at a news conference Monday. “We are already taking the necessary steps to ensure the caravan enters in a safe and orderly way.”

When the previous caravan reached Mexico in October, Mexican authorities closed one of the main border crossings but allowed thousands of migrants to swim across the river separating the country from Guatemala. The migrants then continued north through Mexico, most of them traveling without documents.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')Now if you were arguing that we should deport America’s undesirable citizens to CA so that we can bring in more desirable citizens, keeping the population steady you would have a stronger stance.

[KaiserJeep]

Ibon, it's not like somebody will turn a tap and shut off the oil. Oil will escalate in price as it gets shorter in supply. As the price rises, those with less money get no oil. The First World countries will eventually own all of the oil on the market. Places like Venezuela and Mexico will perhaps have enough domestic oil supplies to feed themselves. Oil = food.

I think your argument about which person is fittest to work in a farm field is irrelevent. People pretty much do not cultivate/plant/harvest nowadays, machines do. As the price increases, the last to lose access to agricultural fuels are the First World. The countries which are most likely to succeed in substituting renewable energy sources, or making vehicle fuels with still-plentiful soft coals, are also the First World. But it's not a bottleneck, it's a permanent power-down, and populations must fall to sustainable levels without cheap energy.

Famine already stalks South and Central America. I think you understand this, and are denying it. The coming energy crisis means serious lifestyle changes to Americans, and widespread starvation in the Third World. Parts of the Third World are already there.

[Newfie]

Ibon,

We don’t need everyone to survive, and not everyone is as you describe. For instance you and I. We are both citizens, neither of us afraid to work, some our children would be similar. I know of others, not a lot, but enough. Some others will adapt. Frankly I think there are folks in our ghettos who would meet your criteria. They may not be picking beans, but they have a hard scrabble life and find ways to make money. May not be legal, but it’s survival. Lots of “illegal” will happen by the survivors.

[Ibon]

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Famine already stalks South and Central America.

[Ibon]

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/results/

Global hunger index: Latin America = LOW

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cau ... y-country/

Latin American countries range between 2 and 7 deaths per 100,000 due to malnutrition. KJ, who is also corrupted by the anti immigrant hysteria, envisions famine stalking Central and South America. You have to wonder why this perception?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon,

We don’t need everyone to survive, and not everyone is as you describe. For instance you and I. We are both citizens, neither of us afraid to work, some our children would be similar. I know of others, not a lot, but enough. Some others will adapt. Frankly I think there are folks in our ghettos who would meet your criteria. They may not be picking beans, but they have a hard scrabble life and find ways to make money. May not be legal, but it’s survival. Lots of “illegal” will happen by the survivors.

[Cog]

If I want to learn primitive farming methods I will watch a youtube video on it. I don't need a Honduran to show me. Plus, I grew up on a farm and haven't forgot how to do it myself.

The real reason the left wants the swarms of central and south Americans up here is to change the voting demographics so socialism prevails. Their cry is "No borders, no walls, No USA at all".

They mean to destroy the United States by all means necessary.

[Ibon]

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They mean to destroy the United States by all means necessary.

[Cog]

You obviously have never read what democratic socialism USA style is all about. Cloward-Piven and Bill Ayers weren't shy about their vision of a socialist utopia for America. The Democrats have realized that white middle class voters can't be trusted to do the "right" thing consistent with installing socialism. Which is how we got Trump. So they intend to change that dynamic.

[Newfie]

Ibon,

The collapse, in the USA, will unlikely happen overnight. There will be time to make the transition in terms of knowledge. It will be a fiasco and many may die, but the population, as we both acknowledge needs to come down.

IMHO the bigger difficulty will be figuring out how to give the land back to farmers. I’m not talking about the mega farms, don’t know what to do about that because many of them are dependent upon irrigation. I mean small mixed use farms.

You cite the Amish which are a definable group. But in PA there are many thousands of small dairy farms. Those guys are every bit as tough and resourceful as any group in the world. They may not be growing vegetables at the moment, but the have the skills and knowledge and land to do so. They can transition within a generation or two.

Even if you were correct there is no need to bring in those folks today. If we were to see a need to bring in outside help then there will be plenty of time to do that in the future when the real need is more clear.

The ONLY reason to being them here now would be fear that, during a collapse, they would not want to come then. So we would bring them here ahead of time. Of course, to keep their skills fresh and relevant, we would have to give them land and restrict them to a subsistence life style or else they would just assimilate into the American way of life and become, well, fat, lazy, consuming Americans and we would still need to import fresh immigrants when the collapse hits.

[KaiserJeep]

Ibon, I still think you are odsessed with the "World Made By Hand" meme, and that you believe that civilization will fall and humans regress to more primitive states. I have explained many times that a collapse scenario is never gonna happen.

Modern mechanized agriculture allows one farmer to be as productive as 300 subsistence manual farmers, and still have only one mouth to feed, versus 300. Even if fuel costs cause the food he produces to escalate in cost by 10X, he is still feeding 300 people, and the only difference is that the people he feeds pay 10X. Which is not a problem in the USA where we spend 5% of our income on food.

I don't think we'll ever abandon machine agriculture, it makes no sense. A century from now, the food production may be in the hands of a robot not a human farmer, but the only people getting their hands in soil will be gardening hobbiests. By then, we will have moved all infrastructure off FF's, even though there will still be coal left.

Hollywood got it wrong IMHO.