[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')t could start with actually enforcing the work rules we already have in place.

[evilgenius]

More and more I suspect this isn't about the wall, but small sizing the government. Think about it. It's the perfect opportunity for Trump to launch the first salvo over the subject. He can effectively use force, without it looking like that was his intention. Trump too would love to see food stamps go away, except for the part of the program that helps what he sees as traditional Americans who are only in a bind. Of course he's not going to go after those who hire illegals. That might be infinitely cheaper, but they keep wages down. What the wall will do is allow illegals into the country still, but also provide an emotional outlet to those who can't stand what is going on, such that they have a means to accept it as happening after everything that could be done was done. It's a superficial and plain jab at the people, but it appeals to their habit of looking toward their short term interests over those of the longer term.

The real issue, if anyone really cares, is teaching critical thinking and providing life coaching. That's the only way to get people to act against their own immediate self-interest. Because it is people acting in their immediate self-interest which compels this problem forward. There are longer term forms of self-interest which cannot ever be met if they are consistently avoided in favor of the short term. We become victims of a grotesque score keeping mentality that longs for an edge and only allows rules so that privileged members can cheat. We become mired in identity politics over equality politics. We grasp at the throat of beauty because we believe that dominance is equal to love.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'M')ore and more I suspect this isn't about the wall, but small sizing the government.

[Cog]

Sorry your girl lost Pops. But the upside is your food stamps will probably get funded anyway. Well maybe. Illegal aliens come first with the Democrats. By the way Pops, how many illegals are you personally going to take into your home?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')
Downsizing government isn't his main theme, that would be Mexican rapists, American Carnage and lock her up.
I think this is totally political,

[Cog]

You want to find out where racism is the theme of the day? Go to China, Japan, and yes South and Central America. Those in south and central America of Spanish origin hate and punish those of Indian descent. Course Ibon doesn't want to talk about that particular racism since it doesn't fit the narrative of Orange man bad and white man bad.

Yeah we get it Ibon. Every Republican is a Nazi and Klan member. In fact every white person you ever met is a closet racist. You don't need to repeat it daily. Is it any wonder you lost in 2016 with that attitude?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou want to find out where racism is the theme of the day? Go to China, Japan, and yes South and Central America. Those in south and central America of Spanish origin hate and punish those of Indian descent. Course Ibon doesn't want to talk about that particular racism since it doesn't fit the narrative of Orange man bad and white man bad.

[Cog]

But yet when I challenge you leftists to produce one single executive order or legislation passed by Trump and the Republicans in the last two years that is racist, I get crickets. Step up Ibon. You have called me out as a racist and Nazi before but always seem to fall short on providing the evidence. Give it up bro.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ut yet when I challenge you leftists to produce one single executive order or legislation passed by Trump and the Republicans in the last two years that is racist, I get crickets. Step up Ibon. You have called me out as a racist and Nazi before but always seem to fall short on providing the evidence. Give it up bro.

[KaiserJeep]

I'll have to say, reluctantly, that I agree with Cog on that one. Aside from hate groups, there is not a lot of Racism left in the White Middle Class in the USA. Large numbers of Blacks and Latinos remain Racist, and the attitude towards "First Nation" or Native American peoples that you mentioned is something I have noticed here in California amongst Hispanics.

However, there is one thing of which I have no doubt whatsoever. The Democrats are the major political party doing the most - far and away the most - to suppress minorities in the USA. The means to do so are many, from SNAP food give-aways to Welfare payments to inner city families, and ineffective inner city schools. These programs have devastated the Minorities since LBJ's infamous "War on Poverty" in the 1960's. As a result, conditions in the inner cities of NYC, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Philidelphia, etc. have been worsening for decades.

This continues the legacy of the solid Democratic South, which stretches all the way back to the US Civil War Reconstruction. As I have pointed out before, over the decades of the Civil Rights era, they never found a single Republican under the robes of a KKK member. Democrats all.

This happens because most people are still listening to what politicians SAY, rather than observing what they actually DO. What the Democrats are doing is suppressing Minorities, while speaking words of inclusion and condemning Republican Racists, a group that is vanishingly small, compared to the overt and widespread Racism in the Democratic Party.

Everybody needs to grow up and LOOK at what is happening, while ignoring the words coming out of the lying mouths of politicians. On many topics, they lie equally, but the Democrats are the largest overtly Racist organization in the modern USA. That includes one of the most offensively and stridently Racist groups in the USA, which is the Congressional Black Caucus.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ut yet when I challenge you leftists to produce one single executive order or legislation passed by Trump and the Republicans in the last two years that is racist, I get crickets. Step up Ibon. You have called me out as a racist and Nazi before but always seem to fall short on providing the evidence. Give it up bro.

[Cog]

I've had a lot of fun with this CNN link. And several thousand people on reddit/R LOL

Enjoy telling your story. Or perhaps just a story in general.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/01 ... n-stories/

[Pops]

Ibon, I'm way beyond mere disdain or dislike of trump's racism.

He's threatening to implement emergency powers. This will be and actual constitutional crisis.

This is no small thing.

You'll remember Abe did it and FDR did it, both during war.

trump is doing it because FOX told him to.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '.')..

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')bon, I'm way beyond mere disdain or dislike of trump's racism.

He's threatening to implement emergency powers. This will be and actual constitutional crisis.

This is no small thing.

You'll remember Abe did it and FDR did it, both during war.

trump is doing it because FOX told him to.

[KaiserJeep]

If Trump builds that wall, he will be unstoppable in 2020. It will not matter that he has forever had, and continues to have, foot-in-mouth disease.

It is not a requirement that anybody LIKE the POTUS, only that he do the job.

In fact, Trump could open his checkbook, write a $5B check for the wall, and buy the presidency without bothering to campaign. Or he could use the "Bully Pulpit" later tonight to ask for voluntary contributions, and probably raise several times that $5B.

His second term is almost a certainty.

[Newfie]

Evil,

I think your comments about short vs long term thinking are spot on.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')Still, a net win financially, especially when one counts the numerous savings from the adverse impact of literally millions of non-English-speaking Hispanic and Chinese immigrants on US social relief and government welfare systems, not to mention law enforcement.

[KaiserJeep]

Again, a correction. At least, here in California's Central Valley where most of our agriculture is done, Republicans are almost unknown. The predominant large landowners, especially the corporations which own most of the farms, are Democrats. Democrats indeed import most of the temporary workers, exploit the He!! out of them, and dump them back S of the border.

Then they blame the Republicans. Like I said before, Republicans are actually an endangered species in California. Get real about where the problems arise.

[Newfie]

OUTCAST,

Thanks for doing the research.