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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Bird flu pandemic, China [unconfirmed report]

Unread postby Jack » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 09:37:29

Note: This is largely unsourced, hence the report cannot be verified; the link is to another website (FreeRepublic) which some may find disquieting.

With those cavaets firmly in mind: Click Here
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Reason: Merged with THE Avian (Bird) Flu pt 2.
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Unread postby RonMN » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 11:46:33

i tried a google on "qinghai" and every hit was about H5N1.

We can only hope it's not true...but... 8O
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Unread postby RonMN » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 12:04:10

HEY, now here's a quote we should all know by now...they're refurring to the bird flu, but it would apply to PO as well...

NEWS QUOTE:

“You can’t rely on the province or other municipalities for assistance (if a pandemic hits),” he said.

“When everyone is impacted, you have to be self-sufficient.”
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 12:20:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'i') tried a google on "qinghai" and every hit was about H5N1.

We can only hope it's not true...but... 8O
I use the mozilla firefox google and got nothing about H5N1 on page one. A recombinomics link on page 2 and another on page 4. Pretty much the same with google news
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Unread postby VinceG » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 12:47:39

I think people shouldn't draw to radical conclusions from some vaguely reported conversation between to unindentified people...
"In the U.S., fears are so exaggerated and out of control that anxiety is the number-one mental health problem in the country.", Barry Glassner
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 14:36:24

You're making it sound like China is really secretive and news is hard to come by...

The moment a bird flu case is reported in China I garantee you within a day it will be all over NHK, BBC Asia, Xinhua, etc
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Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia_old » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 14:57:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou're making it sound like China is really secretive and news is hard to come by...

You are being sarcastic. Correct?

You remember SARS.

China recently barred WHO investigators from examining the Qinghai province. There are unconfirmed reports of possibly 700 deaths as a result of bird flu in the region. It is believed that a lethal strain (RK7 I believe) of H5N1 circulating in the migratory birds nesting in Qinghai, who will soon leave to Europe and other parts of Asia for warmer weather.

Still, everyone is dicking around, so its difficult to get any concrete information because of all this secretative, misleading crap spewed by everyone from the Chinese gov't to the WHO.
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 15:10:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'Y')ou're making it sound like China is really secretive and news is hard to come by...

The moment a bird flu case is reported in China I garantee you within a day it will be all over NHK, BBC Asia, Xinhua, etc


Uhhh ... China IS really secretive and news out of China is EXTREMELY hard to come by unless the CPC wants it known or unless a reporter for the South China Morning Post is lucky enough to be on the scene when something happens.

When the pandemic breaks out, it will already be widespread throughout China before the rest of the world even hears about it. :shock:
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Unread postby Tuike » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 15:31:48

I searched Google News and found this: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he above report raises the possibility of H5N1 bird flu spread to Chengdu, capital of Sichuan Province. The earlier boxun reports described human outbreaks of H5N1 in Qinghai Province, which is sparsely populated. Chengdu is a major city with a population of about 10 million. The above report indicates there are 20 infections with 9 dead and 6 more critical. The case fatality rate would be very high and consistent with bird flu rates seen in Vietnam and Thailand last year. However, the H5N1 at Qingahi Lake is quite virulent in birds, and the reports from China suggest the infections are spreading quickly.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07220 ... engdu.html

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Unread postby VinceG » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 15:40:13

Well, if this turns out to be a real event, I wonder why the main stream media haven't reported about it yet. I don't see what they have to gain from keeping the massive spreading of bird flu infections a secret as long as possible (although I can imagine how a journalist doesn't want to be responsible for causing massive panic by reporting events like these). Or am I just ignorant and naive?
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Unread postby RonMN » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 16:32:52

Any country with a wide spread human to human transmission of H5N1 would be quarentined immediately...the ENTIRE COUNTRY!

That would wreck their economy...so it's not hard to see why they'd want to keep it hush hush...

However you'd be risking the worlds population by saving your economy.
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Unread postby chuck6877 » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 16:47:44

Has anyone bought TAMIFLU online?

I just tried and they want a PRESCRIPTION faxed to them!

Has anyone bought tamiflu without a prescription? What online pharmacy did you buy from?

Thanks,
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 17:17:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou're making it sound like China is really secretive and news is hard to come by...

You are being sarcastic. Correct?

You remember SARS.


I do remember SARS. As I said it was all over NHK and other Asian news sources a loong time it reached American news sources. Specially when it hit Hong Kong, there was ample new coming out of China about SARS that most Americans did not pay attention to until it hit CNN.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Still, everyone is dicking around, so its difficult to get any concrete information because of all this secretative, misleading crap spewed by everyone from the Chinese gov't to the WHO.


I don't think "crap" will be spilled from cities like Hong Kong or Shanghai, where it is not that difficult for (one of the worlds leading doctors) to talk to some journalist...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny country with a wide spread human to human transmission of H5N1 would be quarentined immediately...the ENTIRE COUNTRY!


I find that hard to belive. A country like China would be too hard to contain and too important to consequently ruining the WORLD economy. I don't see ze furher/CEO of Wal-Mart feeling too comfortable about that idea...
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Unread postby Eli » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 17:35:03

Lets say this news is true which is doubtful, or I should say I hope it is not true.

If it is true it will be all over the news in 5, 4, 3, 2, .....kiss your ass good bye.
And we will be some of the very first people to hear about it and that fact will not make one bit of difference. Tamaflu will not save you look at it's efficacy rates, if the bird flu hits tamiflu will only make you feel a little less dead.

It is hard to hide thousands to millions of dead people.

And there is no way on earth to stop a viral outbreak. You just have to let it run its course and hope it burns it self out before you die.
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 18:31:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')It is hard to hide thousands to millions of dead people.


Yep, specially since there are also hundreds of thousands of Expats from Europe and North America residing in China...
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Unread postby RonMN » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 10:32:24

I have a question...

There are a few people who got the bird flu and survived...so why the hell aren't they using that lucky bastards blood to create a vaccine?

isn't that how the make almost all other vaccines?
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 11:50:47

Anyone else find this vaguely remenicent of Steven King's The Stand?

The reason why there is no vaccine for H5N1, as I understand it, is this. Most flu vaccines are made by infecting a chicken embryo with the flu virus. The embryo makes antibodies against the virus and the antibodies are then harvested and put into flu shots. The problem with H5N1 is that it kills the chicken almost 100% of the time. If the chicken dies without producing antibodies, then you can't make a vacine from it.
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 13:17:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'A')nyone else find this vaguely remenicent of Steven King's The Stand?

Welcome back, spg! :-D
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 15:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'W')elcome back, spg! :-D


Thanks, but I'm not really back. Just happen to be staying for a few days with friends that have internet.
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 16:58:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'W')elcome back, spg! :-D


Thanks, but I'm not really back. Just happen to be staying for a few days with friends that have internet.


You're such a tease ... :P
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