[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'S')o I will stick with my original position. It seems remarkably similar to Trumps position, but my conclusion was made pre Trump. I did know about his suggestion that if companies hired Tech people because they could not find citizens qualified to do the job, they should pay them twice the going US rate.

[Newfie]

We have all kinds of screwed up policies. On the one hand we argue we need foreign nationals because Americans don’t do STEM degrees. The. We argue we need illegals to do the jobs we Americans don’t want to do. And we have lowered our birth rate (good thing) but then we complain there are too few youngsters to support us oldsters in our dotage.

But we don’t argue these thoughts as the caravan approaches, now it’s all emotional bluster about those poor brown people, or are they gangsters?

[Cog]

They are invaders.

[Plantagenet]

They are criminals.

They’ve already broken Mexican law by crossing their border illeagally. Now they are out to criminally cross our border as well.

Cheers!

[Revi]

I have a friend who thought that the caravan will make it to the border and they will be massacred in order to get us used to it before it happens here. It was a very dark way to look at it, but I have to say it's not outside of the range of possibilities. That could help kick off the mass die off. We have big problems!

[Plantagenet]

Great photo in your post, Revi. THANKS! That exactly illustrates the scale of the immigration problem.

IMHO, We all know that one symptom of ecological collapse and economic and political collapse will be creation of refugees seeking to flee those areas that aren't prepared to do deal with TEOTWAWKI.

Well....I see that happening right now. Unprecedented number of refugees are streaming into Europe, and we are seeing record numbers of immigrants at the US southern border right now.

Its very tempting to do the "humanitarian" thing and welcome all the refugees in. Thats what Merkel and Europe did and a million refugees streamed into Europe during just one year. The problem is that this is not a one-time problem. We can't solve it by admitting refugees. Even if we let a million in a time, nothing changes, except it encourages even more refugees to try to get in. We are going to see nothing but more and more and more refugees trying to flee in the future. If we adopt a policy of allowing millions of refugees into the US and Europe now, then in ten years there will be tens of millions of refugees trying to get in.

We can't help everyone. We can't save everyone. Its just how it is. I think Trump is right that we should restrict immigration. Trump may have the wrong reasons and the wrong motives, but I think his policy of restricting mass immigration is the right policy.

Cheers!

[Tanada]

Not to be funny about it, but I see that cluster of 'refugees' who are threatening to invade and my mind goes 'What a perfect target for a Neutron Bomb. The infrastructure would be unharmed and the bodies easily collected after they stop kicking'.

This so called refugee caravan raises no sympathy in my soul and instead stokes a great anger that people who are clearly healthy and well fed are trying to game the system when there are millions of more deserving legitimate refugees being turned away every year.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'W')e have all kinds of screwed up policies. On the one hand we argue we need foreign nationals because Americans don’t do STEM degrees. The. We argue we need illegals to do the jobs we Americans don’t want to do. And we have lowered our birth rate (good thing) but then we complain there are too few youngsters to support us oldsters in our dotage.

But we don’t argue these thoughts as the caravan approaches, now it’s all emotional bluster about those poor brown people, or are they gangsters?

[yellowcanoe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')
If the D's would move back to supporting lower class Americans who just want a decent paying job and opportunity to live like their ancestors of 50 years ago lived they would resume control toot suite. If they insist on basing all their policies on welcoming in illegal aliens who drive down wages for lower class people while at the same time constantly calling all white people racists they will keep losing elections for a generation into the future.

[Cog]

These invaders were required to seek asylum in the first international boundary they crossed. For the Hondurans, that would be Guatemala. When the invaders broke through and attacked the Mexican federales at Mexico's southern border, they were offered asylum in Mexico . Some accepted and most rejected and proceeded north. The have zero right to claim asylum here in the usa.

If they get here they should be refused at the border. If they force the border, they have broken usa law, taken into custody, and need to be deported forthwith.

[Revi]

It's okay to deport them, but not to kill them. Unfortunately it will be a mess. Maybe get a bunch of busses ready to send them back to Central America? It's a long ride! We need to stop calling them invaders. They are just a bunch of desperate people.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t's okay to deport them, but not to kill them. Unfortunately it will be a mess. Maybe get a bunch of busses ready to send them back to Central America? It's a long ride! We need to stop calling them invaders. They are just a bunch of desperate people.

[Cid_Yama]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'J')ust to get this issue over with. The Hondurans appearing to arrive at our borders are probably the first climate refugees in this hemisphere. They will increase. We will have to decide how to deal with them. Now refer to the paragraph above

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')I don't care how desperate they are or how much sympathy you have for them. There is a legal manner to enter this country. There are legal ways to become residents and citizens of every country in the world. If you intend to breach the border of a country, in violation of the law, you are an invader and criminal period.

There will be no massacre of this caravan at the border, as much as you leftists would love to see one. Instead, they will be detained in tent camps and the left will howl their outrage about these poor desperate people are being so harshly treated.

[Newfie]

Cid,

Those are good points. NHSTA did accept IPCC estimates and that is something I don’t think even Obama did. It’s an enigma that this administration allowed such language, and it gives me some extreamly modest hope more honesty may be forth coming.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') The goal now is to keep BAU going as long as possible. If the world were going to end day after tomorrow, they would want you to pay your bills and show up at work tomorrow.

[Newfie]

Which is why I think partaking in the “normal” conversation is worthless. It’s why my vote does not matter.

I prefer to try to change the conversation to one that embraces first principals. Then we can have some hope of honest and mindful communication.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'O')h but of course they don't want us to panic.

[Revi]

I have a friend who thinks that they will kill a lot of people in the Caravan. She thinks it will be a test to see if we react. First they took children away from their parents, then it will escalate to a massacre, just south of the border. These people are mostly Mayans, so it will be a continuation of the genocide that started with Alvarado and Tecun Uman.

She thinks that they will see what happens, and then they'll figure out what we will stand for. This time the slaughter will be visible from the border. In the 80's it was happening in El Salvador and Guatemala, out of the view of most of us.
I happened to be there, however...

[KaiserJeep]

What do you mean by "they", white man?