[Cog]

Those therapy notes were not released to the committee and no one is going to get them. Ford released a redacted version or a summary to the Washington post. But she could not remember which she provided them. I'm of the opinion they don't exist.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Provided that the agents are instructed to investigate ONLY those claims which were made before todays vote in committee it should take them about two days to review all the interviews they have already done and do the interviews they need to do with Kavenaugh, Ford and those she claimed were witnesses for her accusations.

[rockdoc123]

what I am surprised about is no one seems to have brought up the concept of "false memory". This was a big thing for a while in the psychiatry side of things. As I remember the psychiatrists were arguing that a lot of the therapists who were less well trained (according to them) were actually creating memories for individuals when they interviewed them. I seem to remember there were a few cases of parents being charged with child abuse when in fact it never happened, it was a memory that was "implanted" (I don't know a better word for it) by the child psychologist.
I wonder if there isn't something here that is a product of false memory or false attribution.

That being said I have to ask....does anyone here know a woman of this age who speaks with a child's voice as she did? I thought that bizarre but hey, I'm an old guy and I don't get out that much.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'w')hat I am surprised about is no one seems to have brought up the concept of "false memory". This was a big thing for a while in the psychiatry side of things. As I remember the psychiatrists were arguing that a lot of the therapists who were less well trained (according to them) were actually creating memories for individuals when they interviewed them. I seem to remember there were a few cases of parents being charged with child abuse when in fact it never happened, it was a memory that was "implanted" (I don't know a better word for it) by the child psychologist.
I wonder if there isn't something here that is a product of false memory or false attribution.

That being said I have to ask....does anyone here know a woman of this age who speaks with a child's voice as she did? I thought that bizarre but hey, I'm an old guy and I don't get out that much.

[Newfie]

I believe she believes her story. The mind is a strange and wonderful device. It can do all kinds of tricks. If you think about something long enough it becomes the same as a memory of a real event. You can convienced yourself it happened. As a psychologist, Ms Ford knows exactly how to frame a memory so that it conforms to the profile of a traumatic event that is seared into her mind. Not saying she did or did not do that, just that it exists in the realm of possibility.

Did it happen? Who knows, it could be as she described or some version of it or pure fantasy. Ditto Kavanaugh.

A couple of things stand out for me. She came “forward” anonymously. She did not want to be made public. But she got a lie detector test? From a exFBI agent, more to the point was he a polygraph expert? Are polygraphs allowed in court any more? I thought not? She has a expert lawyer. That does not come cheap. Who is paying for that? Why has her internet presence been scrubbed? Maybe “they” needed time to do that before going public hence the delay? Would not the FBI want to see the scrubbed internet presence?

Maybe I’m paranoid and see something odd where there is nothing. I don’t know.

I never circulated in those elevated circles so I’m outta my league trying to understand what the cultural mind set was for them as teenagers.

Again, I’m not wild about Kavanaugh, and I don’t think one side is more noble than the other. I guess I just see more risk to Ford by this investigation than I do to Kavanaugh.

In a personal sense, I pity them both, but Kavanaugh has something to gain out of it. I can only see Ford loosing, I don’t see where she has anything to gain.

[jedrider]

Just a quick reply here. I did NOT say I believed 'she believed'. I explicitly stated I believed that she told THE truth, not HER truth.

Sexual Assault is being bandied about like Bill Clinton played with the word 'IS'. That's another topic completely, though.

I am listening a little to some of the testimony (very little, as I am not that into this business at all, i.e. I'm not a wonk ).

I must say Kavanaught strikes me as one slimy political operative and I would not believe his testimony one bit. He is quite elusive on purpose (and I believe he has adequate memory as well).

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', ' ')I have to ask....does anyone here know a woman of this age who speaks with a child's voice as she did? I thought that bizarre but hey, I'm an old guy and I don't get out that much.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', ' ')I have to ask....does anyone here know a woman of this age who speaks with a child's voice as she did? I thought that bizarre but hey, I'm an old guy and I don't get out that much.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '
')So, you've never flown next to somebody who is afraid to fly?

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '
')So, you've never flown next to somebody who is afraid to fly?

[vtsnowedin]

I doubt that they will come up with any new evidence in seven days. The Dems have already made an all out effort to make their case. This is just a stalling tactic.

[Newfie]

Evil,
He may well be a Republican shill, I suspect that’s why he was picked. Apparently he has been a high SCOTUS choice since 2008/Romney. I very much dislike that idea. Whatever party is in place will pick a shill.

But that also means the Ds have had a looong time to review him and come up with objections. They knew this was coming.

Hopefully, and it’s a big hope, once in the court he will be a free man, free from politics, able to vote his conscious.

What worries me more is that if the D’s fail, then it would take a very big man indeed to not harbor residual resentment. The D risk is they are making a bad situation worse. Theirs is a dangerous, high risk strategy.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'J')ust a quick reply here. I did NOT say I believed 'she believed'. I explicitly stated I believed that she told THE truth, not HER truth.

Sexual Assault is being bandied about like Bill Clinton played with the word 'IS'. That's another topic completely, though.

I am listening a little to some of the testimony (very little, as I am not that into this business at all, i.e. I'm not a wonk ).

I must say Kavanaught strikes me as one slimy political operative and I would not believe his testimony one bit. He is quite elusive on purpose (and I believe he has adequate memory as well).

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'E')vil,
He may we’ll be a Republican shill, I suspect that’s why he was picked. Apparently he has been a high SCOTUS choice since 2008/Romney. I very much dislike that idea. Whatever party is in place will pick a shill.

But that also means the Ds have had a looong time to review him and come up with objections. They knew this was coming.

Hopefully, and it’s a big hope, once in the court he will be a free man, free from politics, able to vote his conscious.

What worries me more is that if the D’s fail, then it would take a very big man indeed to not harbor residual resentment. The D risk is they are making a bad situation worse. Theirs is a dangerous, high risk strategy.

[Plantagenet]

Another huge discrepancy in Ms. Fords account is her claim that when she went into a bedroom with the four two boys they locked the door and then one boy jumped on her and touched her boobie. She then says she escaped the evil boobie toucher and fled out the door.

But earlier she says they locked the door. So how did she run out through a locked door? Is she lying or just not remembering things very well........?

There is a reason why every civilized country on earth has a "statute of limitations" that prevents prosecutions for crimes past a certain date. This isn't done out of mercy.....its done because PEOPLE CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED DECADES AGO. And even if they think they remember, THEIR MEMORIES ARE OFTEN WRONG.

Now the whole country is convulvsed over Ms. Ford's claim that Brent kavanaugh touched her boobie 38 years ago, when she can't remember much else about it, and even that little bit of "memory" contains contradictions and falsehoods. And no one else can remember this even happening at all.

This whole episode has been ridiculous. Nobody can remember exactly what happened 38 years ago. And yet the Ds are placing 100% credence in Ms. Ford's recollections, even though she can't recall much and what she does remember is bizarrely devoid of detail except for her claim that she's 100% sure it was Brent kavanaugh who touched her boobie.

This is another D political farce. They are destroying the reputation of a good man just for their own political purposes. Idiots like Sen. Cory Booker ("I am Spartacus") actually said Brent kavanaugh is "evil" and anyone who supports him is supporting evil. God what a moron.....and some Ds want him to be President. Ohmigod.

This is truly a revolting spectacle. I hope the Rs have the guts to stand up to the politics of character assassination and confirm Kavanaugh. Its our only hope for avoiding this kind of circus on every major appointment in the future. If the Rs don't stop it now, then next the Ds will be going back to grade school stories to judge the "character" of nominees. And after that they'll demand the FBI investigate what happened in nursery school.

STOP IT!!! STOP IT NOW!!! CONFIRM KAVANAUGH AND END THE FARCE NOW!!!!!

[Cog]

You have to admit the cleverness of Ford's accusation. By not remembering the month, day, or until recently the year this attack took place or the location, she avoids the situation where any of the players involved had a rock solid alibi. They might have been on vacation with the parents somewhere or involved in a sport in an away game. The people who owned the house could say they were rehabbing the house that summer. By not remembering who dropped her off and picked her up from the party and took her home 6 miles away, she doesn't need to involve anyone else in upholding this lie.

Why anyone finds this credible is beyond me. I could have come up with a lot better story. Remember this is supposedly an event that changed her whole life but any detail that would corroborate it is missing. Conveniently. Even the people who were supposedly there, all deny they were there.

[evilgenius]

As long as we are going to play the game of accusing people of something because of what they aren't like, I'd just like to say that Judge Kavanaugh lived a very unusual adolescence. How he avoided the raging hormones that the rest of male humanity suffer under during that time is beyond me. I guess I have to praise him for being such a strong man, when he was really too young to yet be a man. He must, therefore, be a gift from heaven. Listen, we all remember our pasts differently than they really were. If any one of you can recall the exact year that pretty much anything of life changing significant took place I applaud you. Denying excess is one way to avoid the lessons that those hormones can teach us, though. Because what they do, if we find that we can somehow not give in to them fully, is to teach us the power of symbolism. Learning that is critical, to understanding others who aren't like you, and to not becoming a nasty drunk.

[Cog]

My roommate at college was a Mormon. He told me he wouldn't be having sex until he married. And he did date non-Mormons. Some people have strong religious values about sex. Or alcohol or tobbaco.

[dunewalker]

Tanada mentioned Clarence Thomas. He has been one of the most stalwart conservatives on the court. He rarely has written an opinion, just votes with the conservative side. On another forum someone mentioned that if he hadn't been put through what he had during confirmation, he might have been a more neutral judge.

Some sources indicate that Christine Blasey Ford is employed by the CIA, heading the CIA internship program at Stanford University. Apparently her father, brother and grandfather all have worked for the CIA. Google Blasey CIA.

[dissident]

I have had negative indirect experiences with therapists. One of my high school friends developed issues and was violent to his family (a lot of psychiatric problems manifest during the teenage years). His shyster therapist must have latched onto me as some sort of causal factor or something (no I was not a thug engaged in bad influence on this individual, we were basically two science nerds and instead of going out boozing talked about general relativity). So this therapist basically killed our friendship. I would not be surprised if Ford was basically brainwashed by her therapist into believing something serious happened when this was not the case. Sex assaults are more than touching of a breast and if there was a gang attack it would have been serious (due to the nature of gangs).

Therapy is voodoo and nothing is stopping these shysters from manipulating their patients. In an ideal world it may well be different, but we do not live in such a world.