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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 16:16:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')y your definition Ibon, anyone who voted for Trump is a racist. Prove me wrong.


Maybe not racist, but defintiely stupid and short-sighted.

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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 18:30:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') do not break bread with a domestic enemy, who have sworn to destroy the Republic. The issue will get settled with the left one way or the other. Perhaps peacefully by voting them down but with the left's tendency towards violence probably not.


I think you are bored in retirement Cog.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 19:38:18

Cog,

It does seem you’ve drifted into a different imaginary universe.

I can not follow your statements. You have totally lost me.

I suppose you include me in that grouping. It’s kinda like your equivelent of “deplorable.”
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Cog » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 22:37:31

I thought I had been clear. The war with the left is already underway.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 03:05:09

If you gentlemen have correctly analyzed Trump's victory, then he won't get re-elected.

But then, he probably will, IMHO. I forget who said it first: "It's the Economy, stupid." I am no admirer of the man, but the Economy is going like gangbusters, and Trump did that.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 07:47:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') thought I had been clear. The war with the left is already underway.


Clear perhaps but with no evidence.

Define “war” for a start, I see no massing armies.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 07:49:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') thought I had been clear. The war with the left is already underway.


And its a war mainly in your head. But if you want to play it I will throw something out that will make you squirm a little.... Here goes:

I am sure you are not underestimating the left. They are powerful and smart. They don't need guns to take down the extremism on the right. They will use the majority of 50% of the population, the female gender, and the growing population of people of color. This is their strategy and it will work..

Cog you are an old dinosaur and having your last big hurrah.... enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Cog » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 08:28:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') thought I had been clear. The war with the left is already underway.


Clear perhaps but with no evidence.

Define “war” for a start, I see no massing armies.


Wars do not begin with armed conflict. That is how they are ended. The war with the left is being fought in the political, societal, and financial world. At stake is the Constitutional Republic and freedom from the slavery which is socialism. In due time one side must destroy the other. As I have pointed out before, the election of Trump was not the right's last chance to settle this peacefully, he was the left's.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 09:11:31

You point out without substantiation.

The USA has been in various internal struggles that were more troublesome than this one. Perhaps you are not old enough to to remember the 60’s, just as the most recent period.

I do have fears that there will be a breakdown and sever civil disruption, but not do to ideological stress. Financial stress yes, but both parties are beholden to the same masters, and it sure as hell ain’t the likes of you and me.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 09:35:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')...angry white voters.....


Don't forget the angry black voters who always vote for the Ds. :lol:

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IMHO this is the wrong way to think about things. This kind of identity politics is a big problem problem in the USA because it disguises the actual issues at play here.

For instance, many of the "angry white voters" who are assumed to be racists actually voted for Obama in the last two elections. They aren't racist at all----they are working class people who have seen their jobs disappear and they want change. When Obama promised change they went with Obama. When Trump promised change they went with Trump.

IMHO its utterly poisonous to reduce our complex politics to one skin color vs. another skin color because it disguises the real issues that most people actually care about---they economy, jobs, wages, wars----important things like that.

White working class voters shifted to the Rs in 2016 because the Obama and the Ds hadn't kept their promises on the economy. Perhaps they will shift back to the Ds in 2018 or perhaps they won't----but it won't be because of their skin color.

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Pretty much the same as my take on things. The left wing of American politics gets all tangled up in 'identity politics'. They focus so hard on genetic skin color, language of your mothers tongue and biological gender that they stop seeing people as complex social animals who vote from a very broad range of emotionally driven factors.

They also like to pretend the Male European American population is now an insignificant voting block and all that matters are Hispanic/Asian/African descended voters of both genders and European American women. They then go even further and pretend that all of these identity groups they love are harmonious blocks that vote in lockstep event though in a typical election 10% of African Americans of both genders vote against them, 35% of Hispanic Americans vote against them and typically half of Asians Americans and about 40% of European American Women also vote against them.

IOW their 'blocks' of voters are nowhere near the 100% they pretend, which means to actually win they need European American Men to also vote for their candidate of choice. Then they go out and disparage that key demographic in every way every day and when they actually lose they blame it on those they disparage not kowtowing to their desired outcome instead of looking at what they themselves actually said and did.

Hillary Clinton was such a bad candidate she made Bernie Sanders look attractive! Give that some actual thought and realize the D party could have done so much better if they wanted to compete in the elector system currently in place in the USA! BS..I mean Bernie Sanders, whatever else you say about him promised young voters he would make their lives better. Sure he did it by promising big government problem solving like eliminating student loan debt and free healthcare for all but at its core BS made many people think he cared about their personal well being and future. HC on the other hand spent her time screeching about how it was her turn, the deplorable European American Male and how it was time to complete the Transformation of America initiated by President Obama. You know the same transformation that lead to 8 solid years of record high real unemployment, minimal recovery from the mortgage crisis of 2008 and higher taxes for all.

For pity's sake when one candidate talks about making life better for Joe6P & Jane6P (of all skin tonal varieties) and the other talks about how we have to grind down the 'Deplorable' working class European American Male who is already suffering from the depressed real economy outside of Wall Street and Hollywood what the heck did you expect to happen? "Joe and Jane working class" include a heck of a lot of minority voters who also saw their way of life come apart in the 2008 crash and then very little improvement for the 8 years President Obama was in office.

Those minority groups that vote with a lot more of a split ticket than the D wing admits too flocked to the R candidate who promised to give them meaningful work and an economy worth spending the income in. In the case of African American voters the working class contingent had no particular reason to vote for HC and a lot of them stayed home.
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Of the other 'blocks' of voters working class participation in voting for the left wing of American politics has been in a decline for 30 years. The best D showing in the working class vote was in 1996 when guess what, the economy was bumping along at a pretty solid pace. In 2008 when Candidate Obama promised to help the working class voter he recaptured a lot of the votes that had over the prior decade been given to the R side by lack of attention, but with the continued crappy economy in 2012 he lost those votes again to the R's and when HC ran in 2016 with he constant attacks on the group she drove more working class voters to voter for Candidate Trump who at the same time spread his arms wide and welcomed them in with promises of more and better paying jobs for their type of voter.

Despite all the rhetoric you can not have an economy built all on white collar wall street investors. Someone has to collect the trash, fix the wiring and install your new remodeled kitchen.

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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 10:11:45

I am beginning to wonder if the split has something more to do with the divide between those who search for common ground and unity and consensus and those who want to keep the tribal war aflame. This of course crosses across all gender and racial categories. And is a question relevant to both parties even if we do have a slimebag president who is hell bent on the one trick pony strategy of focusing on voters grievances.

I am all for unity and consensus at the same time as I refuse to accept the current degenerate in the white house....

I think this apparent contradiction is part of the complexity that Tanada is referring to.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 10:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') am beginning to wonder if the split has something more to do with the divide between those who search for common ground and unity and consensus and those who want to keep the tribal war aflame.


Bingo. The only political discourse going on anymore is mudslinging and the internet only accentuates this.

The net result is that government fails to carry out its even most basic tasks. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." as it were. People fail to understand that politics is the art of compromise. Compromise must occur to serve the greater good.

The closest analog would be Weimar Republic days, although the economy is far better than it was in post-WWI Germany. But the inefficacy of government tends to eventually lead to the rise of a 'strong man' type and that's why we have Trump. He's dictator-lite, probably closest to Mussolini in his braggadocio.

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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 10:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', ' ') He's dictator-lite, probably closest to Mussolini in his braggadocio.



Funny you should mention that. I always have seen Trump as a Mussolini figure. Just like Mussolini was a little Hitler want to be Trump is a little Putin want to be.

My father was a soldier in WWII stationed in Rome where he met my mother whose family was a member of the fascist resistance. My mother to her dying day loved Americans not only because she married an American soldier but because both her father and brother (my grandfather and uncle) where held in concentration camps because they were tried as anarchists for rebelling against fascism. When the Americans liberated Rome my uncle and grandfather were released from the concentration camp all skin and bones.

My mother during the last two years would bring zuccini omelets to the prison requesting that this would be passed on to my grandfather and uncle. When they were released they told my mother they never got these home cooked dishes because the fucking fascists ate them.

I have deep in my genes a hatred for fascist sentiments. It explains a lot about my point of view of our asshole president.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 11:19:07

The most general definition of Fascism is using the powers of government to force the citizens to behave in ways they otherwise would not, left to themselves.

In modern US politics, the Fascists are all Democrats, Greenies, and AGW fanatics. They LIVE to mess with people's lives, change the way we act, what we can say, and how we can live.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 11:30:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') have deep in my genes a hatred for fascist sentiments. It explains a lot about my point of view of our president.


A great deal of assumption in that statement, starting with the presumption that President Trump is any different than President Clinton or President Obama in 'fascistic' tendencies. In the case of Clinton it is easy to point to cases of state police actions that raised tensions like Waco and the Branch Davidians. In the case of Obama the appearance of leaning on groups like the thugs in BLM and the Black Panthers who all dress in a quasi-uniform of the group and act outside of normal police authority to intimidate opponents as was seen in the 2008 and 2012 election cycles. The latter bare a great resemblance to the 'brown shirt' tactics of all Fascist leaders so casually throwing around charges of Fascism against Presidents is most definitely a two edged sword you are chopping away with. Just you agree with a leaders goals does not mean their methods are suddenly above reproach. I don't see a bunch of KKK types showing up at Trump rallies and breaking heads of anyone who speaks against him, I can not make the same statement about Clinton supporters during the 2016 campaign who repeatedly engaged in such fascistic behavior.

I do my best to judge all the jack***es in office by the same standard and by far most of them are authoritarians in nature. throwing around the term fascistic is just a verbal attempt to link that behavior pattern with the most reviled leaders of the 20th century while ignoring the objective fact that the Communists and Capitalists and Colonialists all engaged in the same behaviors with the same goals, to stay in power and suppress dissenters.

I have pointed out basically from day one of my arrival here that the USA is trending towards an authoritarian government. Doesn't matter if they are called a D an R or any other political label 99% of the time they behave as Authoritarian leaders who do what they want no matter how the voters think they should behave. If you keep falling into the trap of R=EVIL and D=GOOD you let yourself ignore all the authoritarian crap pulled by D leaders both in the Presidency and Congress. At the same time you over-emphasize the authoritarian crap pulled by the R's in the Presidency and Congress as if it were in some way special and different than the crap pulled by the D leadership. Frequently the crap pulled is exactly the same degree of stench but when you allow yourself to be in the cozy partisan blinders group on either side you allow yourself to ignore the stench from your own side and claim it is all wafting over from the opposing camp.

Wake up and smell the crap, it is everywhere in American and World politics.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 11:52:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')A great deal of assumption in that statement, starting with the presumption that President Trump is any different than President Clinton or President Obama in 'fascistic' tendencies.

Wake up and smell the crap, it is everywhere in American and World politics.


Tanada, you do the exact same thing that Newfie does which I remain perplexed about 2 years into this presidency. Criticism of Trump immediately illicit the response.... "Wait a minute, Obama and Clinton did it also"

Why is that? Aren't we far enough along to assess the current president without still genuflecting two long years later on how the other side is also this or that?

Is it because I am perceived as embracing democrats? This is downright laughable considering how many of my old liberal progressive friends I pissed off prior to Trumps presidency when I complained about Obama or Clinton. Have I learned nothing here at PO.com all these years whereby entitlements by either party will be undermined by ecological and external consequences???? America's exceptionalism be damned!

And to KJ downright stupid partisan comment about fascism being on only one side.

Good article in the Atlantic about the gains corporations are making with the supreme court. Note that judges that were appointed both by D's and R's voted in support of increasing power of corporations by the supreme court which taken to its extreme defines fascism.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rt/564260/

And before you jump to thinking that this is yet another example of the right’s dominance of the Court, support for big business on the Court transcends which party nominated which justice, so many of these cases could have come out the same way if Obama’s pick Merrick Garland had been confirmed instead of Trump’s nominee Neil Gorsuch.

If I look toward unity and consensus across party lines and across racial and gender and all the other subordinate divisions I see the potential unity forming around reeling in the inordinate power of corporations. Does that make me communist? ... Give me a fucking break guys and gals.

I do observe from my expat position outside of the boundary of the US how many of you guys still cannot break out of a binary trap.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')A great deal of assumption in that statement, starting with the presumption that President Trump is any different than President Clinton or President Obama in 'fascistic' tendencies.


That's because the presumption is correct. You can keep trying to jam a round peg into a square peg all you want, but Clinton and Obama are not on the same level of narcissistic idiocy as Trump, not by a long-shot. Like, wake me when Trump wins a Nobel prize. rather than being seen as the greatest threat to world peace with his bull-in-a-china-shop style of foreign-policy.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Doesn't matter if they are called a D an R


It damn well does matter. We had GW Bush engage in expansionist and corporatist/cronyist quasi-resource wars and he barely had two neurons to rub together and now you have Trump, yet another republican numbskull.

You may not like democratic policies, but there is far more just plain basic competence there than in the republican party. You know why everyone came out to honor McCain? Because he was one of the few republicans who actually had some statesmanship (despite his fatal flaw of bringing in that numbskull Palin to talk about Iranistan).


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Wake up and smell the crap, it is everywhere in American and World politics.


As far as I'm conerned this "they're all bad" cynicism is at its worst a veiled attempt to shield the right and at worst a fatalistic abandonment of civic duty.

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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 13:40:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')It damn well does matter.

As far as I'm conerned this "they're all bad" cynicism is at its worst a veiled attempt to shield the right and at worst a fatalistic abandonment of civic duty.


As much as I tried to be conciliatory in my last post I have to say that this post by asg70 nails it better than I could.
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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 14:33:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')It damn well does matter.

As far as I'm conerned this "they're all bad" cynicism is at its worst a veiled attempt to shield the right and at worst a fatalistic abandonment of civic duty.


As much as I tried to be conciliatory in my last post I have to say that this post by asg70 nails it better than I could.


THIS thread is about cultural memes. I am trying to demonstrate to you Ibon that your acceptance of behaviors by Politicians with a D while slamming everything done by a politician with an R is pure partisanship.

Herin you quote ASG proclaiming his opinion that supporting any R under any circumstance is 'abandoning civic duty' simply because it doesn't support the D candidate or politician or goal or life choice in some way.

Sorry but when you paint the world in blue and red proclaiming every blue policy beatifically good and every red policy undeniably evil you are not being rational in any way, shape, manner or form.

Especially when if I make an effort I can pull up examples of the EXACT SAME POLICY being proclaimed good when being proposed/enacted by a D leader and evil when proposed or enacted by an R leader.

Whenever someone points out that THE EXACT SAME THING was done by a D all we here is "Why do you keep dredging up the past only look at what is happening RIGHT NOW". It is not dredging up the past to engage in pattern recognition, it is a requirement if you are looking for a pattern. If a D does something AND they get a free pass from the MSM and left wing of politics believers then rationally an R doing the EXACT SAME THING should also get a free pass. Contrariwise if an R gets condemnation and histrionic declarations for a policy or act then a D doing the EXACT SAME THING should also be condemned and persecuted for doing whatever awful act was done.

You and Cog are two sides of the exact same coin, if he says its good you proclaim it is evil and vice verse. Sorry but my world view is a heck of a lot broader than D and R, both parties have done terrible things in pursuit of power and both parties have ignored vital responsibilities like maintaining infrastructure and encourage energy saving practices. Oh sure we get campaign speeches about shovel ready jobs and ethanol fuel subsidies, but what do they ACTUALLY DO other than give speeches?

How do I know a political speech was filled with lies? Easy, the politicians lips were moving and words came out. Meanwhile the 'True Believers' in each party pay zero attention to what their flavor of politician actually DOES. Even worse when what was promised in the pretty speech isn't delivered they happily give their flavor politician a pass and blame all the failures on the other flavors of politician who might have disagreed with whatever it was.

This blind tribal 'brand loyalty' doesn't accomplish a flippin thing because me complaining about your favorite politician or Cog's favorite politician doesn't influence either IBON nor COG, nor the politician being criticized. The only way for things to get better is if Cog and his fellow R loyalists write/call/vote for R politicians who do not break their word and then blame the D party and Ibon and his fellow D party loyalists write/call/vote for D politicians who do what they say they will do and not use the R party as the scapegoat for getting out of their promises.

I GUARANTEE that if Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton were the current occupant of the White House they would be simply pointing at the R congress and proclaiming the 'evil opposition' was the reason none of their campaign promises was being enacted.

Even worse so long as you remain blind to the problem and refuse to work within your party to fix the problem you are part of the problem. I do not belong to either of the major parties though I did have to register R to vote in the 2016 primary election (I did not want either HC or BS as President so no point in participating in their primary) and the candidate I wanted wasn't even running by the time the vote came around. In fact President Trump was way down my list of acceptable candidates but by the time the primary came around there were only three left standing, one whom I despise and two who were marginal at best.

In a perfect world all of the primary elections would be on the same day in November of the year before the Presidential election so everyone could actually vote for the candidate they wanted instead of picking through the leftovers. That would give everyone a fair shot and it would also eliminate about eight months of political advertisements. It would also mean the parties would know who the actual top 3-5 were going into the convention and the caucus would actually have to choose between them like they did in the old days of the 19th century instead of having one candidate with a majority going to the convention simply to be proclaimed leader. In 1984-88-92-96-2000-04-08-12-16 both parties knew who their candidate was months before the convention which rather makes the convention a pointless week long party. There is not debate or disagreement on the party platform, it is whatever the majority holding candidate says it is with little if anything added from the VP candidate and basically nothing from the party membership.

So cultural meme, is it
A) more important to blame the other party for your failures or
B) more important to actually lead the voters into accomplishing some lasting change?

If all you ever focus on is A) then you will never ever (ever ever ever) accomplish B). Therefore if B) matters to you at all you need to reevaluate how you deal with A).

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Re: Cultural memes: miss - understanding

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 14:56:01

One thing a lot of people fail to understand is the economy, perhaps because things have been prosperous for so long. Without Trump we were doomed to a much worse situation economically and all these divisive issues would only have been exacerbated. Luckily, enough people saw where things were headed we got Trump in there. He is a gift to economic stability. Too bad there's too many idiots out there that don't understand how the money system works or how it can wreak havoc on societies when you have idiots like Obama, Bernie and Hillary running things long enough. It came close to disaster, that's for sure.
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