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Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 06 Jan 2018, 16:33:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '.').. This kind of discussion reminds me that to me, the main regret I have about dying in a couple-few decades or so is not getting to see all the cool stuff that happens due to technology. (As a fan of astronomy as a child I NEVER would have imagined a booming field in studying exoplanets, or even identifying one with certainty.)

There's always next time ...

NASA: Curiosity Rover Spots Weird Tube-Like Structures on Mars

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Have trace fossils been found on Mars?

In browsing the first new batch of 2018 photos taken by the Curiosity rover's Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI), researcher Barry DiGregorio speculated on whether the Red Planet robot found trace fossils on Mars. DiGregorio is a research fellow for the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology in the United Kingdom and author of the nonfiction books "Mars: The Living Planet" and "The Microbes of Mars."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150]"They look remarkably similar to Ordovician trace fossils I have studied and photographed here on Earth,"[/size]

DiGregorio told Inside Outer Space. "If not trace fossils, what other geological explanations will NASA come up with?"

... Vasavada reported that the eye-catching features are very small, probably on the order of a millimeter or two (0.04 to 0.08 inches) in width, with the longest of the features stretching to roughly 5 millimeters (0.2 inches). "So, they are tiny," he told Inside Outer Space.

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Examples of Ordovician trace fossils [from Earth]...

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James Webb Space Telescope

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"Alien Minds: Artificial Intelligence Is Already Out There, and It's Billions of Years Old"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')usan Schneider of the University of Connecticut and the Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton is one of the few thinkers—outside the realm of science fiction— that have considered the notion that artificial intelligence is already out there, and has been for eons. "I do not believe that most advanced alien civilizations will be biological," Schneider says. "The most sophisticated civilizations will be postbiological, forms of artificial intelligence or alien superintelligence."

Her recent study, Alien Minds, asks "How would intelligent aliens think? Would they have conscious experiences? Would it feel a certain way to be an alien?"

Schneider offers three observations that together, support her conclusion for the existence of alien superintelligence.

The first is "the short window observation": Once a society creates the technology that could put them in touch with the cosmos, they are only a few hundred years away from changing their own paradigm from biology to AI. This “short window” makes it more likely that the aliens we encounter would be postbiological.

The short window observation is supported by human cultural evolution, at least thus far. Our first radio signals date back only about a hundred and twenty years, and space exploration is only about fifty years old, but we are already immersed in digital technology, such as cell-phones and laptop computers.

Schneider's second argument is "the greater age of alien civilizations." Proponents of SETI have often concluded that alien civilizations would be much older than our own “…all lines of evidence converge on the conclusion that the maximum age of extraterrestrial intelligence would be billions of years, specifically [it] ranges from 1.7 billion to 8 billion years.

... But she suspects something stronger than this: that they will not be carbon-based. Uploading allows a creature near immortality, enables reboots, and allows it to survive under a variety of conditions that carbon-based life forms cannot. In addition, silicon appears to be a better medium for information processing than the brain itself. Neurons reach a peak speed of about 200 Hz, which is seven orders of magnitude slower than current microprocessors.

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 06 Jan 2018, 16:57:41

So then the two questions become can the integrated and enhanced sum of individuals retain individual identity? The second being will emotions and/or a sense of morality be lost to this AI super organism or individual creatures enhanced and/or integrated with AI?
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 06 Jan 2018, 18:27:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'S')o then the two questions become can the integrated and enhanced sum of individuals retain individual identity? The second being will emotions and/or a sense of morality be lost to this AI super organism or individual creatures enhanced and/or integrated with AI?

That's one way of looking at it, but ask yourself this:

How much morality or emotions or commonality do we share with a flatworm?

We shared a common ancestor with flatworms 500 million years ago. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1 ... 062150.htm

What would we share with an AI one billion years more advanced than us?
Would we even know it's there? Earth may be it's current experiment.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 06 Jan 2018, 18:38:04

Yea Vox, kind of like the Matrix (movie). A virtual Universe or world. In fact some scientists speculated that our Universe could be one giant Virtual reality programmed by some super advanced intelligent beings
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 10 Jan 2018, 14:17:59

Goodbye Gravity: Device Creates Negative Mass

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Most objects react in predictable ways when force is applied to them—unless they have "negative mass." And then they react exactly opposite from what you would expect.

Now University of Rochester researchers have succeeded in creating particles with negative mass in an atomically thin semiconductor, by causing it to interact with confined light in an optical microcavity.

This alone is "interesting and exciting from a physics perspective," says Nick Vamivakas, an associate professor of quantum optics and quantum physics at Rochester's Institute of Optics. "But it also turns out the device we've created presents a way to generate laser light with an incrementally small amount of power."

Though applications are "still down the road," Vamivakas adds, his lab will continue to explore: The physical implications of creating negative mass in the device. "We're dreaming up ways to apply pushes and pulls—maybe by applying an electrical field across the device—and then studying how these polaritons move around in the device under application of external force.

S. Dhara et al. Anomalous dispersion of microcavity trion-polaritons, Nature Physics (2017)

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 12 Sep 2018, 19:14:29

This is How It Begins: FBI Closes Sunspot Observatory Due To 'Security Issue'

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This is how it happens when the extraterrestrials make contact with Earth.

... It seems to have started last Friday when the observatory was temporarily closed because of an undisclosed security issue. Shari Lifson, a spokesperson for the group that manages the facility—Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA)—told the Alamogordo Daily News: “We have decided to vacate the facility at this time as a precautionary measure. It was our decision to evacuate the facility.”

Otero County Sheriff Benny House told the Daily News that FBI agents told his officers to “standby,” and would not explain the security threat to him or why the federal law enforcement agency was involved.

But for the FBI to get involved that quick and be so secretive about it, there was a lot of stuff going on up there,” House said to the Daily News..
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]“There was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers, but nobody would tell us anything.”

Frank Fisher, a public affairs officer at FBI’s Albuquerque Division, told Gizmodo that it was referring all inquiries to AURA. Lifson of AURA told Gizmodo today that the facility is still closed because the research group is still “addressing a security issue” and “is working with the proper authorities on this issue,” but has no further comment about the nature of the security issue.

A dispatcher at the Otero County Sheriff’s office told Gizmodo that the matter is still a complete mystery to their office. “We don’t know what is going on. We haven’t had any updates. We haven’t gotten any information at all,” he said. “There’s not much we can do about it.

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 13:39:30

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^^^ Gosh one can only hope (collateral damage aside).

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Cog » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 13:44:49

You can't hide aliens by closing down one observatory. The location of this particular observatory is close to a couple of sensitive military installations. Which is probably why they are there doing what the FBI does. Besides going after Trump that is.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 14:11:22

More “down to earth “ coverage.

Interesting stuff.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.c ... o-11496171

I find it interesting that Google Earth is blocked from that area. Military installations yes, but an observatory? Maybe it was not what it seemed in the first place?
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 16:28:04

Funny, it does appear ET, has been here but may have left, having deemed us unworthy of further contact yet. Also, I think it was the late Stephen Hawking who said careful what you wish for in trying to contact ET. He surmised they would be much more advanced than us and would likely not have our best interests in mind rather theirs.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 17:31:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'M')ore “down to earth “ coverage.

Interesting stuff.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.c ... o-11496171

I find it interesting that Google Earth is blocked from that area. Military installations yes, but an observatory? Maybe it was not what it seemed in the first place?


Another curious thing is that the facility in New Mexico is described as a "National Solar Observatory" but the actual US National Solar Observatory is on Kitt Peak in Arizona. I've been there, and its an amazing research facility, with numerous huge telescopes and special instruments to monitor the sun.

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So if the real US National solar observatory is in Arizona, what is going on in that facility in New Mexico?

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If the aliens arrive and say "take me to your leader".....do we have to take them to Donald Trump? What will the aliens think of us when they figure out we elected Donald Trump to be our leader?
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Cog » Thu 13 Sep 2018, 20:49:19

Well at least the aliens won't be confused by a deep bow
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 14 Sep 2018, 10:07:12

In that case the aliens will see why the majority of human existence has been based on inherited or acquired leadership, not democracy. There is a reason monarchies have existed for as long as we have had recorded history and remain in general the most successful form of government second only to acquired forms like the Chinese politburo where the most skilled and ruthless rise to lead.

Joe6P in general does a lousy job voting for leaders. This is true of all types of leaders from Union reps to government 'legislators' and 'district attorneys' who are almost in every case a glib talker who looks out for their own interests above any principled decision making process.

In the acquired forms of leadership the most skilled rise to the top and they want to stay there. In the monarchy form the children in general are trained from birth to make decisions. In Democracy the best used car salesman gets to be in charge. The problems with this system should be self evident. The ability to talk and sell a line of BS is not leadership.

President Trump, love or hate him, has acquired authority because he has vast skill at making deals that improve his finances and he said what the average voter wanted to hear. In our system he only has that authority for 4-8 years but for that time the authority is his and constantly wing nutting theories about how the rest of the government will suddenly decide to replace him does not help achieve anything. You want the President to do something differently offer him a deal that makes it look like he wins on the issue and you are far more likely to get what you want. The same is true of every President including the last 20 men who held the office so this basic civics lesson should not have to be stated, but what the heck I feel magnanimous today. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all the D's have offered for the last 4 years straight is vinegar. Gosh I wonder what will happen in November when Joe6P gets to pick between honey (President Trumps proud words about American greatness) and vinegar (the D's words about how the President is a dolt and everyone who voted for him is a misogynistic homophobic racist SOB that deserves to die).

Like it or not people would rather vote for a happy lie than a sad truth. Such is the nature of DEMOCRACY.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 14 Sep 2018, 10:56:06

I’m bored and tired of hearing about Florence. I’m looking some juicy wild speculation about the sun observatory. All the reports are pretty bland, no real investigation going on.

Who works there? Not just scientific staff but groundskeepers and janitors. There must be some, and they have neighbors.

How come the reporters went out talking to these folks?
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Fri 14 Sep 2018, 14:41:16

Rising CO2 levels; senior Federal officials ignoring the warning, calling it a hoax; strange goings-on at national observatories.

It's all becoming crystal clear...

The 1996 movie The Arrival wasn't a cheesy Sci-Fi flick - It was a documentary. 8)

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Climates are changing. Scientists blame factory smokestacks, car exhausts and the destruction of the rain forests. “The Arrival” has a more terrifying hypothesis to explain the phenomenon. In the great paranoid tradition of science fiction, the discovery of this possibility is made by one man who cannot get anyone to listen to him and who grows desperate as the establishment slams its doors. The man is Zane Zaminski (Charlie Sheen), a radio astronomer who listens for signs of intelligence from outer space. Unlike his colleagues, he's looking in the noisy FM band: “It's like searching for a needle,” his partner tells him, “in a haystack of needles.” When he picks up an unmistakable signal, Zane takes it gleefully to his boss (Ron Silver), only to be told that the government's entire intergalactic eavesdropping operation is being scaled down because of budget cutbacks. Zane's frustration is the engine for a science-fiction film of unusual intelligence that keeps on thinking all the way to the end, springing surprises and ideas. The movie is as smart as “Mission: Impossible” is dumb.


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Or maybe we'll just blame the Chinese (Putin would NEVER do such a thing - he said so. He wouldn't lie. Would he?)...

Mysterious Evacuation Of Solar Observatory Overlooking White Sands Smells Like Espionage

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. given AURA's statements and what else we know about the situation, there is a distinct possibility that "security issue" is actually related to espionage or a similar operational security concern. The National Solar Observatory's site enjoys a wide and largely unobstructed view of both the U.S. Air Force's Holloman Air Force Base and the U.S. Army's White Sands Missile Range, both of which regularly host a very wide array of U.S. military research and development programs.

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The Richard B. Dunn Solar Telescope inside the observatory is a vacuum telescope designed to track the Sun and its movements while gathering imagery and spectroscopy data about the rays it emits and its sunspots. It is possible that the telescope could point low enough to gather useful information about objects at Holloman or White Sands in the valley below. It is also possible that the U.S. government could have had concerns about what it might be able to see in outer space, or at least who saw what and what they did with that information, but this seems quite unlikely.

It seems more plausible that a foreign operative or an operative working on a foreign government's behalf might have been able to install an antenna/sensor apparatus onto the top of a structure that is part of the facility and within line-of-sight of the valley below without anyone noticing. This could allow them to persistently gather electronic intelligence on whatever might be happening on, around, and over White Sands and at Holloman. With the capabilities of modern electronics and batteries, it's possible that such a system wouldn't even need to be hard wired.

The small building is covered with antennas and electronics which have a perfectly clear line of sight to the valley below. Clandestinely placing a sensor package here that is able to collect certain emissions while blending in with the clutter seems like a relatively rudimentary task—hiding in plain sight if you will.

This is just one area of a fairly large complex of observatories and other buildings, many of which are in disuse, but which may already be adorned with antennas and other electronics and have an unobstructed line-of-sight towards White Sands. Otero County Sheriff House's comment in which he states there were officials and workmen inspecting towers and antennas could indicate that there were looking for just such a device.

Individuals looking to spy on Holloman or White Sands could have been using the local post office to send copies of that information to their handlers or to an intermediate location, as well. A suspect could even work or live up there. As such, the FBI or other agencies could have decided to temporarily shut down its operations in order to comb it for evidence, even just as a basic precaution.

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Using the site as a possible testing location for some sort of sensor or directed energy weapon, or even commandeering the high-powered telescope for a national security use, such as spying on or blinding enemy satellites, also comes to mind.

A Notice To Airman (NOTAM) is currently posted warning aviators to stay away from the site, but that isn't too odd considering the facility openly uses a device that can harm pilots' and passengers' eyes. The NOTAM reads:
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Nah.

I'm going with Aliens. :)
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 14 Sep 2018, 14:51:51

Yeah, Aliens! We need a break from the routine news.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 15:32:21

Spock’s Home World Has Been Discovered (sort of)

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Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, was visionary in many ways: The Enterprise crew’s communicators presaged today’s smartphones, Bones’s sickbay mirrored in modern medical scanners, and, well, we’re still working on that transporter. Now, it seems he accurately predicted a location for science officer Spock’s home planet, Vulcan.

The magazine Sky & Telescope reports this week that back in 1991, Roddenberry and three astronomers from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, declared in a letter to the magazine that Vulcan most likely would orbit the planet 40 Eridani A. Although not mentioned in the original TV series or later feature films, a number of stars had been put forward by Trekkies as the likely locale of Vulcan. Roddenberry and his co-authors argued that 40 Eridani A was the most likely because, at 4 billion years old, an orbiting planet would have had long enough to evolve a superlogical being such as Spock.

Now, astronomers have found that 40 Eridani A, an orange dwarf star 16 light-years from Earth, does indeed have a planet. The Dharma Planet Survey, which is looking for low-mass planets around bright nearby stars, reports in a paper due to appear in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society that the putative “Vulcan”—officially known as HD 26965b (and shown above in an artist’s illustration)—is eight times the mass of Earth.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 13:49:23

Terminal Atomic: Technogeomorphological Mounds: What A Sinister Looking Giant Black Pyramid Is Doing At An Abandoned Military Base

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There are dozens of these mounds, across the country from Pennsylvania to Arizona, built mostly by the Department of Energy, and maintained by their Legacy Management office.

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Each disposal cell covers many acres and as much as half a square mile. They resemble ancient pyramids or relics from a geometrical mound-building culture, like archeological forms made for the future. They represent the legacy of the most advanced technology of a global culture: the creation of the atomic bomb, the ability to destroy the world at the push of a button. They are part of the nationwide network of industrial sites created to extract, process, manufacture, and engineer nuclear fuel for reactors and weapons--a continent-wide landscape machine to concentrate a naturally occurring trace material into such compressed atomic density that it explodes with galactic energy.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]... The disposal cell at Green River is designed and constructed to last for 200 to 1,000 years. However, the general license has no expiration date, and DOE understands that its responsibility for the safety and integrity of the Green River site will last indefinitely.

These mound sites, byproducts of this effort, are the end of the line, meant to be unconnected to the rest of the world, like deadly anachronistic time capsules. These are the most negative of spaces, nonplaces, meant to stay inert and isolated for as much of forever as possible, kept from the present, but destined for the future.

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 25 Sep 2018, 12:19:55

Tracking the Interstellar Object 'Oumuamua To Its Home

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A team of astronomers led by Coryn Bailer-Jones of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy has tracked the interstellar object 'Oumuamua to several possible home stars. The object was discovered in late 2017 – this was the first time astronomers have been able to observe an astronomical object from another star system visiting our own Solar System. Bailer-Jones and his colleagues used data from the ESA astrometry satellite Gaia to find four plausible stars where 'Oumuamua could have begun its long journey, more than a million years ago

The new study by Bailer-Jones and colleagues takes into account how 'Oumuamua's orbit has changed as the object passed close to the Sun, giving the astronomers a precise estimate of the direction the object came from originally, as well as the speed at which it entered our Solar System.

Plausible home stars of the interstellar object 'Oumuamua found in Gaia DR2, arXiv:1809.09009 [astro-ph.EP]

Some of Arthur C. Clarke's stories deal with following an alien artifact back to its home: Rescue Party, Rendezvous with Rama
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
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