[Newfie]

Yeah, I have a hard time with WTC conspiracy theories. Too convoluted, the “official” story is much simpler and believable.

Now the official reasons why we attacked Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia in the aftermath are hard to swallow.

[charmcitysking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')o you have any understanding of how much prepatory work goes into conducting the controlled demolition of a building? In a practical sense, you have to gut the building to expose the support columns. There is zero evidence such work was ever done on any of the WTC buildings.

[onlooker]

To those with an open mind , go to 911truth.org
You have a wealth of info there that puts into question the official story. Related to what Outcast said yes obviously any matter should rely on an empirical process to determine the degree of validity. Or at least some factual/circumstantial basis. But, as simple non expert observers, we must rely on anecdotal sources. My point which I make is why are some here so certain of the "official" sources like Govt or MSM or Corporations etc. If nothing else, these sources have strong financial incentive and coercive influence to distort the truth that should be taken into account

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')eah, I have a hard time with WTC conspiracy theories. Too convoluted, the “official” story is much simpler and believable.

Now the official reasons why we attacked Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia in the aftermath are hard to swallow.

[onlooker]

Sorry, but you guys are terribly wrong. Above all what I have researched on the NET given my curiosity and time haha, is what and whom really runs the world and its connection to conspiracy theories and coverups and the the Empire which is the US. Hint: follow the money. From there I gravitated to Overshoot and LTG inquiry for the larger future picture. But of course you need to discover for yourselves
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

[Ibon]

We live in a time where all institutions are suspect be it the media, private sector, public sector, religious institutions, political parties. One big immense rigged game where self interest rules. Why wouldn't one suspect conspiracies on any individual event when institutions are conspiring to further their agendas at the EXPENSE of your average citizen. The game is rigged. I don't need to even cry foul or conspiracy on big events like 9/11 when the day to day functioning of our society is a conspiracy. Priests fucking little boy bums, pharmaceutical lobbyists fucking you up the ass with their drug prices, political parties fucking you in your ear canal with all the shit they spew, private sector raping your anus with their price rigging, the media reaming your colon with pure garbage. Every private and public entity is engaged in parasitic self interest. One big conspiracy.

That felt good. Now I feel better. Ha ha

[onlooker]

Ouch so accurate and descriptive Ibon haha

[asg70]

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[onlooker]

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[Outcast_Searcher]

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[onlooker]

Okay, I will confess of one particular CONSPIRACY , that changed my outlook about the world in general and conspiracy theories in particular. 911 period.
I have spent quite some time on this site and feel no need to convince anyone now of anything. All, I can say is Outcast , ASG, and others if it interests you do serious research on 911 without holding ANY bias one way or the other. Finally, understand that in this world money is power and that power has been shown to have an addictive sway in particular types of individuals and that greed itself can consume certain people inordinately. This is the basis by which those in power and/or wealthy would hatch a conspiracy

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'O')kay, I will confess of one particular CONSPIRACY , that changed my outlook about the world in general and conspiracy theories in particular. 911 period.
I have spent quite some time on this site and feel no need to convince anyone now of anything. All, I can say is Outcast , ASG, and others if it interests you do serious research on 911 without holding ANY bias one way or the other. Finally, understand that in this world money is power and that power has been shown to have an addictive sway in particular types of individuals and that greed itself can consume certain people inordinately. This is the basis by which those in power and/or wealthy would hatch a conspiracy

[Newfie]

In general conspiracy theories are a “us against them” position where “them” is some unspecified baddie. It is sort of like believing in God, there is some outside agent (TPTB) who is wrecking/controlling my life.

I still don’t believe that JFK hornswaggle.

[SeaGypsy]

https://www.ae911truth.org

So the 3000+ architects and engineers have been watching too many YouTube videos.

Hooey.

Stay in your comfort zone. I don't need to say that.

If one of those 3000+ believes in chemtrails or flat earth you can have my next paycheck.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Chemtrails are real. Look at the evidence and that's it. Dismiss all of the narratives; evidence is the only thing that matters.

https://youtu.be/Qe_9gSO6TZA?t=42s

[SeaGypsy]

I'm not talking about cloud seeding, or contrails. Poor confused dolts.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')'m not talking about cloud seeding, or contrails. Poor confused dolts.

[Pops]

The biggest argument against most conspiracies is they involve people, usually lots of people, all enacting some Mission Impossible stunt, and they all keep their secret to the grave. The US government can't even keep tactical pants secret or keep track of as many kids/parents as in a typical high school.

What's funny part is that to many reasonable people, peak oil is likely pretty close to a conspiracy theory. How many times have non-believers been berated as shills/bots/trolls on this and other sites? How many "dots" have we connected and used to explain likely unrelated events? How many gyrations of supply/demand, price twitches, political actions, news stories have we subscribed to the massive coverup to pull the sheeple's own wool over their eyes? Not to mention all the high falutin physics n economics n whatnot...

All of which we alone understand?

Newfie wins, conspiracies are exactly like religion, they make us feel like we are special, in a club with all sorts of incantations and symbols that regular people can't understand and aren't privy to. But hey, gotta do something with that brain.

[evilgenius]

First of all, we might want to define 'conspiracy theory' because there is some room for debate reading some of what's been written. I don't think it is a conspiracy, for instance, if people in charge in various places make policy and react to certain givens. One of those givens is resource depletion and availability. Physically, there are many others. There is also the psychological stage. Almost everyone is going to act in their own self-interest. There is a minefield of emotions out there amongst any populace concerning the actions their leaders take. Everyone is going to interpret them differently. A lot of people choose to direct the energy involved in doing so into a common interface, with a political party or according to institutes of higher learning, etc. Doing so is just us trying to find some wisdom to interpret things. Finding like minded people who agree with you is not tantamount to forming a conspiracy, even if you let them make some important decisions for you. You simply trust them for whatever reason.

So, if economic conditions are going to cause a whole group of people to act a certain way, that's not conspiracy at work. People's understanding of morality will provoke common widespread attitudes within society, but that's not conspiracy either. And when someone like Trump manipulates these things that's not conspiracy. Just because a person can push buttons and get people to do what they want doesn't imply conspiracy, not even if a whole bunch of people are involved. What we're talking about with conspiracy possesses some element of secrecy at its core. The people have to be led to do or believe things that either act against their own self-interest or which they wouldn't normally do out of their natures, for the benefit of others. They have to do this without knowing the true reasons why. There is a difference between that and being forced to do what you don't want to do by perfectly understandable forces at work in the world, or marketing, even if they work in concert to project a seeming facade of irreducible complexity.

[onlooker]

Yes, but then what label, do you put on this quote:
“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” - The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

The "official" narrative has imbued the term "conspiracy theory", with a negative connotation to mean some crazy paranoid belief. Well, from what I have read some of these conspiracy theories are anything but.