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A summary of the key issues...Peak Oil And Dunbar's Number

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A summary of the key issues...Peak Oil And Dunbar's Number

Unread postby roccman » Sun 30 Dec 2007, 17:50:26

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o prevent a truly enormous problem of oil depletion, it would first be necessary for a large percentage of the human race to become literate, to read books, and to understand difficult scientific abstractions, scholarly entanglements which are neither comic nor tragic but simply unpropitious. Yet that is precisely the opposite of how most people behave.

Secondly, the entire political structure of every country would have to be changed almost instantly. The American political system, for example, would have to be utterly transformed so that political representatives were chosen, not from among those who have learned the art of buying votes, but from a group of philosopher-kings like those of Plato’s Republic — although perhaps one should not trust kings of any sort.

Thirdly, the President of the United States would have to go on television, disrupt the leading prime-time program, and announce that unlimited driving of automobiles was no longer possible in the United States and its territories. He would also have to explain that tax incentives would be provided to people who have few or no children. All of that from a country that is one of the worst at devouring resources, and that consistently boycotts all serious international efforts at solving global problems.

Since all of that is highly improbable, it might make more sense to say, "A catastrophe is inevitable. What do we do next?"
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: A summary of the key issues...Peak Oil And Dunbar's Numb

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 16 May 2018, 12:32:53

While I find Dunbar's Number interesting I believe an extreme over emphasis with any number gets you in trouble. For example, in large cities you still follow Dunbar's Number, you may have a great many acquaintances but you 'know' about 150 to 200 people because that is just how the human brain is wired. What makes it possible for larger groups to function is that groups overlap. You 'know' 150 people and your neighbor 'knows' 150 people very well, but they are not the same 150. You both 'know' each other and possibly your fellow near residents but you have independent work communities, religious communities, service communities (your doctor, lawyer, wait staff at your favorite restaurant). If this were not so the conflict within cities would prevent them from functioning effectively.
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: A summary of the key issues...Peak Oil And Dunbar's Numb

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 16 May 2018, 12:47:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '[')url=http://www.countercurrents.org/goodchild291207.htm]Counter Currents[/url]

To prevent a truly enormous problem of oil depletion, it would first be necessary for a large percentage of the human race to become literate, to read books, and to understand difficult scientific abstractions, scholarly entanglements which are neither comic nor tragic but simply unpropitious. Yet that is precisely the opposite of how most people behave.

But doesn't the extensive use of "smart phones" make people much smarter? :badgrin:

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')Since all of that is highly improbable, it might make more sense to say, "A catastrophe is inevitable. What do we do next?"

What? You're still talking? Can't you SEE that I'm trying to focus on texting about the Kardashians on my smart phone?!

It's truly a wonder that things bumble along as well as they do, all things considered.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: A summary of the key issues...Peak Oil And Dunbar's Numb

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 16 May 2018, 13:02:33

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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ithin modern capitalism there is no solution to the problem of oil depletion. Oil energy cannot be replaced with the equivalent amount of "alternative" energy in the required time, so the consequences of oil depletion will be disastrous.


This nation of sheep herders is now tied on to the new Silk Road. That's the 10,000 mile artery that ties Eurasia into a single, whole multi-function multi-billion human experiment.

So wind and solar won't help, but high speed rail is a promising part of an answer?

No fallacy there. :roll:
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