[onlooker]

Excuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation. But of course continue with your conservative talking points how individuals need to take responsibility in the meantime don't look now the Corporations and Govt are running amuck

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'E')xcuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'E')xcuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation.

[vox_mundi]

In Asia’s Fattest Country, Nutritionists Take Money From Food Giants

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]When the food industry funds nutritionists, critics say it subverts science to preserve its market.

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Over the past three decades this increasingly prosperous nation has become the fattest country in Asia, with nearly half the adult population now overweight or obese. Several years ago, Dr. Tee E Siong, Malaysia’s leading nutrition expert, decided to act, organizing a far-reaching study of local diets and lifestyle habits.

The research, conducted by scientists from the Nutrition Society of Malaysia, which Dr. Tee heads, has produced several articles for peer-reviewed academic journals. But scientists weren’t the only ones vetting the material. One of the reviewers was Nestlé, the world’s largest food company, which financed the research.

Among the published articles was one that concluded that children who drank malted breakfast beverages — a category dominated in Malaysia by Milo, a sugary powder drink made by Nestlé — were more likely to be physically active and spend less time in front of a computer or television.

The research exemplified a practice that began in the West and has moved, along with rising obesity rates, to developing countries: deep financial partnerships between the world’s largest food companies and nutrition scientists, policymakers and academic societies.

The industry funds research projects, pays scholars consulting fees, and sponsors most major nutrition conferences at a time when sales of processed foods are soaring. In Malaysia sales have increased 105 percent over the past five years, according to Euromonitor, a market research company.

... When corporate money influences nutrition science, Dr. Popkin said, the evidence of what is healthy for people “gets obscured, gets confounded.”

In addition to Nestlé, Dr. Tee’s work has been funded by Kellogg’s, PepsiCo and Tate & Lyle, one of the world’s biggest makers of high-fructose corn syrup, among others.

[vox_mundi]

Mouse Study Reveals What Happens in the Gut After Too Much Fructose

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rinceton University researchers report that in mice, fructose, a sugar found in fruit, is processed mainly in the small intestine, not in the liver as had previously been suspected. Sugary drinks and processed high-sugar foods overwhelm the small intestine and spill into the liver for processing.

Evidence from previous animal and human studies has shown that excessive sugar ingestion can be harmful, especially to the liver. Chronic over-consumption can lead to obesity and foster insulin resistance that can progress to diabetes; it also can contribute to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, which can lead to cirrhosis or liver cancer.

"There is a fundamental physiological difference in how smaller and larger amounts of sugar are processed in the body," explains Joshua D. Rabinowitz of the Lewis-Sigler Institute for Integrative Genomics at Princeton University, whose laboratory led the study. The prior view was that the liver processes all ingested sugar. But this study showed that more than 90 percent of the fructose was cleared by the small intestine in mice.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"We can offer some reassurance—at least from these animal studies—that fructose from moderate amounts of fruits will not reach the liver," ... However, the small intestine probably starts to get overwhelmed with sugar halfway through a can of soda or large glass of orange juice."

[Tanada]

Lest we forget Mice are not a particularly good animal model for nutrition for the same reason rabbits and guinea pigs are not suitable human analogs. None of them have a digestive system much like that of a human being. A far better choice model are pygmy swine because they are omnivores of the same class as humans and eat a large variety of the same foods.

A great deal of the Vegan thinking comes from the study of animals that are obligate herbivores like rabbits and guinea pigs that do not digest foods the same way we omnivores do. The initial cholesterol tests that were used to proclaim dietary cholesterol was a human killer were based on rabbit/animal model studies. Of course rabbits are about as close to pure herbivores as you can get, so naturally their digestive system lacks the capability of dealing effectively with ingested animal cholesterol. Humans and Mice are not the same, for example mice in their natural habitat consume massive calories in the form of plant seeds and thus have developed a digestive system that can deal with the chemical defenses of that food source. Humans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings. We have only been consuming large quantities of Sugar and Fructose for about 40 years and the resulting Epidemic of Obesity, Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease, High Blood Pressure, Gout, etc etc should be enough to tell you how unwise they are as a caloric intake choice for human beings.

[charmcitysking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')umans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings.

[KaiserJeep]

She's probably talking about the gluten/gliadin/glutine/L-glutamine/MSG controversy. It is actually an extremely complex subject that a lot of people form opinions on based on personal experiences.

First of all, grains/seeds in their wild forms have been consumed for 10,000+ years by humans and their immediate precursor species. Depending upon where your particular DNA is from, you the modern human may have a genetic intolerance for gluten, a protein found in what are called the "cereal grains" (wheat, barley, rye, etc. but NOT rice) which originated in the Caucasus Mountains along with white-skinned humans. Other branches of the human tree have less tolerance, as do some of those lighter-skinned humans with an infusion of DNA from Africa or Asia.

Gluten breaks down into glutamine plus glutamate. Glutamine NOBODY is allergic to, it's one of the fundamental amino acids that the body manufactures, an essential nutrient. In fact the mirror analogue L-glutamine is the free form amino acid found in all grains, seeds, soy/beans, and dairy. But conventional glutamine generates MSG (mono sodium glutamate) during digestion, which many people cannot tolerate because of their DNA. The grain that generates more MSG in the gut than anything else is the "hard" wheat varieties, often milled into flours for baking. Most people who think they have a "wheat allergy" or a "dairy allergy" actually cannot tolerate the MSG that their digestion produces in the gut. The other cereal grains plus the "soft" wheat varieties that are consumed whole are much lower in regular gluten and largely digest into the invert form L-glutamine with little MSG.

That's the SHORT version, and many many other opinions exist, and many books containing bad chemistry have been published. You cannot understand the chemistry without also examining the DNA that determines what you can digest either. Finally, if you have another unrelated form of digestive problem - Type 2 diabetes - you have other symptoms that cloud the issue greatly. Mass confusion results.

[MD]

you all are way too smart for me. I eat what my body tells me it wants, except when it wants fats, sugars, or alcohol.

That and I walk a lot.

Then one day I will die anyway.

edit: and the girl in the cartoon? just about the stupidest caricature I have seen all month

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charmcitysking', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')umans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings.

[KaiserJeep]

Speaking personally, I LOVE baked goods. A also love whole wheat, wheat germ, and bran in all forms. Plus all forms of dairy, especially cheeses. Plus I have developed Type 2 diabetes and have been told to eat less of everything, but to especially avoid corn sweetener.

Edit: I read Tanada's message after posting. I've heard much of it before, it's a popular one that is reinforced by personal experience for many. Others have other opinions. But if you find foods you can tolerate and other foods you cannot, do what your body tells you is the best strategy.

Lately, what speaks to me most is ginger. Ginger tea and ginger beer, the "hotter" the better, and not so much ginger ale which is way too sweet. I haven't figured that one out yet.

I'm also still eating a lot of the ancient Roman soft wheat called Farro. It just tastes good, and has a satisfying chew in a salad.

[MD]

quinoa has been good to me. brown rice, quinoa, and cold pressed veggie juice, with a some spinach on the side. my diet staples right now.

[onlooker]

https://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/ ... iber-foods
https://www.today.com/health/block-suga ... -1C9381792
Fiber is very important to control sugar levels in blood
Block sugar from your body in 7 easy ways

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'h')ttps://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/natural-blood-sugar-blockers-high-fiber-foods
https://www.today.com/health/block-suga ... -1C9381792
Fiber is very important to control sugar levels in blood
Block sugar from your body in 7 easy ways

[onlooker]

Yes Sub, but sugar is addictive so not so easy to go cold turkey, it is also fairly ubiquitous in grocery stores and supermarkets
https://www.indy100.com/article/researc ... gs-7990081
Sugar 'has same effect on the brain as cocaine'

[dissident]

I have not investigated whether rice proteins induce pro-inflammatory prostoglandin and cytokine production, but wheat definitely does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid
https://academic.oup.com/carcin/article ... 20/2390932

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/arachidonic-acid/

linoleic acid is also an omega-6 fatty acid precursor to arachidonic acid but has been shown to have positive effects. The problem is the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. It is pointless to look at individual compounds in isolation as they form a complex, interdependent system that has a combined impact. For example, fruits have formaldehyde which yields formic acid. But there are other compounds in fruits and eating them is not going to give you cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=22913724

http://sweetonion.net/exactly-how-infla ... d-omega-3/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-020 ... xCount=157

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/31/5/986
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2553688/

[MD]

quinoa is laden with protein. It's allegedly in the "super-food" category. On the list for interplanetary missions. Not great fun to eat though. You have to chew the tiny grains thoroughly or they poop out like under chewed corn. Might be a bit of an over share there...

[jedrider]

My wife likes to make a salad with quinoa, almost like a mediterranean coucous salad.

Very nice explanation Tanada.

I recently started taking Dr. Gundry's Lectin Shield. There is a 90-day money back guarantee. I think it works. I'll report back. I eat a lot of vegetables and always have and very little meat of any kind, except I like Salami, so the Italian in me comes out sometimes.

I've been cutting back on my sugar intake significantly. I don't like sugar in my food, except for some in a tomato sauce which seems to make it taste better. Once I cut back my sugar intake, I could recognize a sugar high by the headache it would give me, so those foods are no longer even desirable.

Just got back from a trip to Guatemala and the food seems so much better there. I wonder if how we grow our vegetables tips the balance on these plant poisons. You know, ANGRY plants perhaps that don't like all this artificial fertilizer that they are exclusively fed.

[Newfie]

Funny, right now in Luperon, Dominican Republic. It’s a poor place but has much dignity. I’ve noticed many things on first inspection including how clean the town is, very little RUBBISH in the streets or water.

I also noticed NO obesity. The folks all seem to have a bit of a paunch, a little fat, a bit over weight, kinda like me. ZERO 300+ pounders. I don’t think I saw a single 250 pounder.

Food is fresh. Lots of vegetables in little street side shops. Fresh, real fresh, meat in the butcher shops. We bought a street cooked chicken, not bbq, but kinda roasted over coals; the best chicken I’ve ever had. Bought a couple of pound balls of fresh mozzarella, had that tonight with some cucumber and onion in a marinade. Lunch was the mid-day special at the “fancy” marina restaurant: rice & beans, fresh salad, chicken (very good) at $3/plate.

But for some reason fruit is scarse here. Puerto Plata is a much bigger town 10 miles East, they have lots of citrus fruit. But here? Nope, could not find an orange this afternoon. Weird.