[Newfie]

Yes Tanada, we joked about this above, having a unit on the boat.

But this is just the kind of thing that is needed for SOLAR and WIND as well. I would suggest flipping the equation when appropriate, divert excess solar and wind watts to the generation of storeable energy units. Think of this process as a massive battery with no charge limit.

I still highly advocate Pops tag; Reduce/Recycle/Reuse to limit energy use as the necessary first step. The less we use the fewer nuclear plants we need o build, the smaller problems.

Outside of diesel for propulsion we are pretty energy self sufficient. Mostly because of LED lighting. We are also using under 1/2 gallon of fresh water per day. Not everyone can live like us. But it just one example.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')We are also using under 1/2 gallon of fresh water per day. .

[Newfie]

1/2 gallon, 64 ounces, of fresh water per person per day is more than adequate for drinking. There is a old Wife’s tale you should drink 8 glasses of water a day, which is a lot. If you take a “glass” as 8 ounces (a cup) that’s 64 ounces.

That said I think I muffed the math and is more like 1 gallon per day. I know we filled up in Vero Beach and topped off 20 gallons in Georgetown, Bahamas about about 10 days latter.

What is the daily average usage here in the USA?

Understand I’m not setting ourselves as role models. I’m just pointing out the difference between “need” and “want”. If we are forced to concerve then there is a LOT of fat to be cut on many fronts. Including oil and water.

[Cog]

Depending on what you are eating, food can contain a lot of water so 1/2 gallon seems enough to me. I think the general rule is to have a full gallon per person so you can use the other 1/2 gallon for cleaning purposes. All of this is dependent of course of activity and temperature.

I've drank as much as 3 gallons a day when in the Mohave and was still thirsty.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')
What is the daily average usage here in the USA?

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')eventually when we get past the insane fear of radiation

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')eventually when we get past the insane fear of radiation

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '1')/2 gallon, 64 ounces, of fresh water per person per day is more than adequate for drinking. There is a old Wife’s tale you should drink 8 glasses of water a day, which is a lot. If you take a “glass” as 8 ounces (a cup) that’s 64 ounces.

That said I think I muffed the math and is more like 1 gallon per day. I know we filled up in Vero Beach and topped off 20 gallons in Georgetown, Bahamas about about 10 days latter.

What is the daily average usage here in the USA?

Understand I’m not setting ourselves as role models. I’m just pointing out the difference between “need” and “want”. If we are forced to conserve then there is a LOT of fat to be cut on many fronts. Including oil and water.

[Newfie]

There ya go. Don’t wash the car, don’t water the lawn, composting head (urban? Ug).

Do you let the water run when washing dishes?
When brushing your teeth?
15 minute showers?

Now if you really had to could you could squeeze by on 10 gallonas a day?

Same with cars and fuel, we COULD economize and use a lot less.

That’s the kind of thing that makes peak demand or cliff predictions so very difficult. We adjust all the time.

[Newfie]

Tanada,

Here is a little trick to cut usage. No PRESSURE water. We use a little foot pump. You want a glass of water, 3 squirts. Brush your teeth? 1/3squirt to wet the brush and one squirt to rinse your mouth. It’s funny as hell when we visit the kids and go to the sink and start tapping our foot with an empty glass under the spout.

But at present our whole cultural infrastructure is based upon the private automobile. There are many adaptations that could occur: ride share, small taxis. But the Walmart is not a walk or bike ride away.

We need to shrink our demand. But we won’t until forced. Then we will adapt.

[onlooker]

No doubt the FF companies have played a major role in the anti-nuclear campaign
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilvers ... 0449e17453
Are Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling The Anti-Nuclear Energy Movement?

[KaiserJeep]

I do not believe that there is any conspiracy to suppress nuclear energy. I believe the opposition to nuclear arises from the role that radiation plays in popular entertainment. Godzilla is a salt water iguana mutated by radiation. The Incredible Hulk was bombarded by gamma rays. The giant ants in the movie THEM! were the result of above ground bomb testing. It just goes on and on, you were exposed to radiation propaganda your whole life and no amount of facts including yhe fact that the only people harmed by commercial nuclear energy were the firefighters at Chernobyl, will make any difference.

More people die each year from rooftop solar (because of falls from rooftops) every year than the sixty or so that died around Chernobyl. 12,000 people die annually from coal effluents, and four times that many suffer respiratory diseases. The Banqiao dam failure in China in 1975 killed 171,000 people outright and displaced another 11 million.

Real facts do not matter, only the preconcieved notions. Nuclear energy is literally one million times safter than coal, with enough proven uranium reserves to replace coal for decades. But Godzilla destroying Tokyo yet again while the Japanese flee "trumps" actual casualty figures.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'N')o doubt the FF companies have played a major role in the anti-nuclear campaign
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilvers ... 0449e17453
Are Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling The Anti-Nuclear Energy Movement?

[onlooker]

And Kaiser is right too. Humans being fearful animals were swayed by popular depictions of the radiation being this ubiquitous and ghastly threat

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')here ya go. Don’t wash the car, don’t water the lawn, composting head (urban? Ug).

Do you let the water run when washing dishes?
When brushing your teeth?
15 minute showers?

Now if you really had to could you could squeeze by on 10 gallonas a day?

Same with cars and fuel, we COULD economize and use a lot less.

That’s the kind of thing that makes peak demand or cliff predictions so very difficult. We adjust all the time.

[KaiserJeep]

One small correction to my last post in this thread. 12,000 people die annually in the USA from coal effluents, another 48,000 suffer respiratory disease. The other figures I gave were all world death rates which are estimated to be much higher than US totals for coal. The world figure is estimated at 2.5 million annual deaths from coal burning.

Expressed another way, burning coal kills as many people as WW2 did, every 30 years. Burning wood and other biomass is even worse. But even relatively clean fuels like propane and natural gas are far deadlier than nuclear energy.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'O')ne small correction to my last post in this thread. 12,000 people die annually in the USA from coal effluents, another 48,000 suffer respiratory disease. The other figures I gave were all world death rates which are estimated to be much higher than US totals for coal. The world figure is estimated at 2.5 million annual deaths from coal burning.

Expressed another way, burning coal kills as many people as WW2 did, every 30 years. Burning wood and other biomass is even worse. But even relatively clean fuels like propane and natural gas are far deadlier than nuclear energy.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', 'T')anada, you know I support Nuclear power and radiation is not as bad as people think but...The fact is what we call background radiation is the leftovers from above ground nuclear bomb testing done in the past. Before Humans dug up uranium and enriched it there was no background radiation.