[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Do you have a source for that?
My experience is that a middle class mother works about half ofthe available work days from the birth of her first child until the youngest enters highschool. That envolves a lot of daycare.

[KaiserJeep]

It would be helpful if you identified whether you are discussing the world average Middle Class family or one in the USA. There is a range of incomes considered Middle Class.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'S')o pray if you care Cog, tell us in what or where you have your wealth?
Oh that"s right in the ultimate Ponzifaux source, the stock market. Enough said

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Do you have a source for that?
My experience is that a middle class mother works about half ofthe available work days from the birth of her first child until the youngest enters highschool. That envolves a lot of daycare.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'V')T,
But you are not a true adherent to the religion. If you were your attitude would be different. You are looking for reason and shades of grey. Zealotry decries such nuances.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'S')o pray if you care Cog, tell us in what or where you have your wealth?
Oh that"s right in the ultimate Ponzifaux source, the stock market. Enough said

[Cog]

You know, as well as I do,that your 401k, IRA, and even your pension is tied to the market. Its as real as it gets for you personally. The elites, who are universally despised, won't let their asset be destroyed in any meaningful way. Oh there will be market downturns, recessions and even depressions, but the market remains. Downturns are the way for the elites to gain even more shares. If you study them and what they do, you can go along for the ride.

[onlooker]

You want to gamble fine. But surely some of you must know the stock market is a rigged game aND as always tended to inflate like a Ballon then pop. You play with fire you will get burnt

[SeaGypsy]

On the other hand, nothing ventured nothing gained. Nobody joins the 1% by hard work alone, if you aren't born into it, you are going to have to gamble, or forget about ever being wealthy. Whether flipping houses, playing markets or smuggling coke.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'O')n the other hand, nothing ventured nothing gained. Nobody joins the 1% by hard work alone, if you aren't born into it, you are going to have to gamble, or forget about ever being wealthy. Whether flipping houses, playing markets or smuggling coke.

[SeaGypsy]

Me neither, my focus is another kind of riches, a Bible quote comes to mind, one I shouldn't need to write.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')e neither, my focus is another kind of riches, a Bible quote comes to mind, one I shouldn't need to write.

[SeaGypsy]

Much more direct:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', ' ')Nobody joins the 1% by hard work alone,.

[vtsnowedin]

While not needing to be very rich or a one percenter I think any thinking person will strive to gain enough wealth to be independent in his old age, wanting for nothing and beholden to no one or no government.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'W')hile not needing to be very rich or a one percenter I think any thinking person will strive to gain enough wealth to be independent in his old age, wanting for nothing and beholden to no one or no government.

[SeaGypsy]

If folks have gotten financially comfortable by flipping houses, even at a very conservative pace, it's still gambling. There's never been such a thing as a 100% safe bet, getting out of bed is a calculated risk.

[KrellEnergySource]

I always read these threads, because I keep hoping someone *will* come up with an economic system that works.

One view holds that the individual is responsible for determining how to earn a living and pursuing that. The glaring fault, to me, is that system in today's world gives us products that are incredibly wasteful of the limited resources of our planet. The 'successful' at this economic system then get to also have tremendous power to influence governments to set policy. Those not successful have a vote. Yay. Nice bone.

The other system addresses, on paper at least, a concept of dividing labor and distributing wealth. People could be told "no, we have no quota for inflatable penguins from China during this decade. We are going to focus on food and education". But then you get gulag's because people do not operate like a colony of bees and you have to do something with those that disagree.

What a hell the 23rd century will be, if we make it there, unless somehow we do come up with something that will work. The two directions discussed here clearly do not, long term with the stresses of population, environment challenges, and and the existence of the weapons arsenals out there.

Brian

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')f folks have gotten financially comfortable by flipping houses, even at a very conservative pace, it's still gambling. There's never been such a thing as a 100% safe bet, getting out of bed is a calculated risk.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KrellEnergySource', 'I') always read these threads, because I keep hoping someone *will* come up with an economic system that works.

One view holds that the individual is responsible for determining how to earn a living and pursuing that. The glaring fault, to me, is that system in today's world gives us products that are incredibly wasteful of the limited resources of our planet. The 'successful' at this economic system then get to also have tremendous power to influence governments to set policy. Those not successful have a vote. Yay. Nice bone.

The other system addresses, on paper at least, a concept of dividing labor and distributing wealth. People could be told "no, we have no quota for inflatable penguins from China during this decade. We are going to focus on food and education". But then you get gulag's because people do not operate like a colony of bees and you have to do something with those that disagree.

What a hell the 23rd century will be, if we make it there, unless somehow we do come up with something that will work. The two directions discussed here clearly do not, long term with the stresses of population, environment challenges, and and the existence of the weapons arsenals out there.

Brian