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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 02 May 2017, 06:43:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', 'W')e (life) gives meaning to the sun? Without life then the sun shining for billions of years would be meaningless.


Yes that kind of meaning for our life form is true

The reason why "our" sun <=> "god" like status for many homo sapiens cultures
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

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http://www.ktvn.com/story/31260413/13-y ... ing-device

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E²=(pC)²+(mC²)²


"Making power for free" Tesla

Thats realy AC=>DC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1Mz7kGVf0
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 09 Jul 2017, 14:21:21

To proof Wittgenstein you just look @ Teslar and Musk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkWDdNkM9Bc

Elon Musk Incredible Speech - Motivational video 8)

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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 19 Aug 2017, 02:42:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMjLfkSzMCM

This week on Act Out!, the danger of absolutist thinking in a fluid and dynamic reality

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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 19 Aug 2017, 19:22:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you think your wife will believe you were out all night saving souls for Jesus, you have another think coming.

If I was ever to try that one on the missus, she would think (correctly) that I'd gone completely off my rocker!!
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 02:13:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', '
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Reality is the sum of all facts = natural laws so the world.

Theorem You could not have something without having nothing <=> Proof : 0=0 => 1+0=1

Nor really
What about this idea:
There is only one possible being, eg Universe.
Why?
Being separated from second being by yet another being is really one larger being.
So two beings separated by something are one being.
Now, what if beings are separated by nothing?
Nothing don't exist, has no dimensions etc, so 2 beings separated by nothing are not separated at all.
So there is only one being (due to impossibility of separation by nothing).
So we either have something (Universe) or nothing (then we would not be here to discuss it).
So nothing don't exist in physical world. It is only mathematical abstract.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Our Universe could be a picture of facts so a dream , simulation or hologram is a possibility i think.

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Not only you think about it.
Read about "holographic principle", easy enough to find out.
But these are only speculations.

Also by experimental evidence we can see that not everything what is theoretically possible let alone "thought about" can be acomplished.
If in doubt go and factorize Graham number
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number
Good luck

Once you completed above task, you may contemplate "counting to infinity"
Thinkable?
Yes.
Possible?
No.
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 04:19:11

@EnergyUnlimited

wrote "There is only one possible being, eg Universe."

Konrad Suse said the Universe is (one) super computer!

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Zuse, K. "The Computing Universe", International Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 21, Nos. 6/7 (1982), page 589-600, Plenum Press 1982.
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Interesting the G number is odd so it can be written as a sum of consecutive numbers in N and as a difference of two square numbers.

=> G= kn +(n²-n)/2 = x²-y² = (x+y)(x-y)

where n is the number of consecutive numbers and odd faktor if n>2 in N of the sum G and k is the starting number and (x-y)(x+y) are factors, if G is a prime (x-y)=1 =>G=(x+y) and G=k+k+1=(x+y)
Maybe this helps...
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 05:00:15

No it doesn't help at all.
Even if someone have said that "Universe is supercomputer", it doesn't mean that it is actually a case.
A lot of silliness have after all been said but by no means proven.
You gave an example of such a thing.
Other examples are Multiverse, String theories, cosmic inflation era, singularities inside BH and many similar concepts.
So I do not say that Universe is definitely not a supercomputer, but such claim is rather extraordinary and a burden of proof is sqarely on the claimant.

And even if it *is* supercomputer, the area within our cosmic horizon would be far too small to even *represent*, let alone factorize Graham's number.
Obviously it is of no use to consider any parts outside of our cosmic horizon as any communication with such areas would need to be FTL, hence impossible (yet another impossibility btw).
So returning to the area within our cosmic horizon (approx. 91 billions of light years across).
Assuming that we divided this volume in Planck volumes, which are the smallest possible voulmes, the resulting number would be just a very very tiny comparing to Graham number. Actually negligably small.
So if you cannot even represent, forget about computing.

We go into certain philosophical conundrum dealing with a *fact* that an *abstract* world is unbelivably vast, actually infinite but a physical one is an extremely restricted by laws of Nature.
Hence most of possibilities are unattainable in physical world, even if theoretically possible in an abstract one.
You may also find out that even in abstract world, which is arbitrary vast there are defined concepts which are entirely undecidable (and actually proven to be undecidable).
You may research for example issues related to *halting problem* and so called *busy beaver function* associated with it.
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 09:55:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'N')o it doesn't help at all.
Even if someone have said that "Universe is supercomputer", it doesn't mean that it is actually a case.
A lot of silliness have after all been said but by no means proven.
You gave an example of such a thing.
Other examples are Multiverse, String theories, cosmic inflation era, singularities inside BH and many similar concepts.
So I do not say that Universe is definitely not a supercomputer, but such claim is rather extraordinary and a burden of proof is sqarely on the claimant.

And even if it *is* supercomputer, the area within our cosmic horizon would be far too small to even *represent*, let alone factorize Graham's number.
Obviously it is of no use to consider any parts outside of our cosmic horizon as any communication with such areas would need to be FTL, hence impossible (yet another impossibility btw).
So returning to the area within our cosmic horizon (approx. 91 billions of light years across).
Assuming that we divided this volume in Planck volumes, which are the smallest possible voulmes, the resulting number would be just a very very tiny comparing to Graham number. Actually negligably small.
So if you cannot even represent, forget about computing.

We go into certain philosophical conundrum dealing with a *fact* that an *abstract* world is unbelivably vast, actually infinite but a physical one is an extremely restricted by laws of Nature.
Hence most of possibilities are unattainable in physical world, even if theoretically possible in an abstract one.
You may also find out that even in abstract world, which is arbitrary vast there are defined concepts which are entirely undecidable (and actually proven to be undecidable).
You may research for example issues related to *halting problem* and so called *busy beaver function* associated with it.

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Line 01 : You cannot prove what is not provable
https://math.stackexchange.com/question ... -be-proved
In fact, Gödel proved in 1931 that for any formal system rich enough to intepret Peano arithmetic, there is a proposition that cannot be proven or refuted in that system. Moreover his proof is constructive: for any system you devise that includes natural number arithmetic as we know it, I can give you a specific proposition that is undecidable in that system.


We humans have built "human supercomputer" what are we?- Yes part of the Universe or a simulation of infinit Universe simulations ?

The C64 computer is now a simulation on a x86 personal computer which is reality?
In our Universe created by human brains<=>computers.=> Proof: Turing chess machine

Now we cracked our binary code and will soon be able to upload us on other platforms or upload a "code" into our brain.

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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 11:06:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', '
')Now we cracked our binary code and will soon be able to upload us on other platforms or upload a "code" into our brain.
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This remains to be seen.
There is a good chance that brain does not work in deterministic fashion and no uploads are going to be possible soon or ever.
That would be the case if brain makes some use of QM as proposed for example by R. Penrose and Hameroff in their *orch-or* theory.
I stress it is still theory which needs proving or refutting.
While a development of wave function *is* deterministic, its collapse which delivers reality *is not*.
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 22 Aug 2017, 11:59:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', '
')Now we cracked our binary code and will soon be able to upload us on other platforms or upload a "code" into our brain.
M_B_S

This remains to be seen.
There is a good chance that brain does not work in deterministic fashion and no uploads are going to be possible soon or ever.
That would be the case if brain makes some use of QM as proposed for example by R. Penrose and Hameroff in their *orch-or* theory.
I stress it is still theory which needs proving or refutting.
While a development of wave function *is* deterministic, its collapse which delivers reality *is not*.


For me it is clear that our brain is a "kind" of quantum computer

=> http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... /1743/1869 => the teoretical prediction <=>All thinkable is possible

=> https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery ... rates.html => proof

https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-sp ... -20161102/


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=> https://www.sciencealert.com/new-study- ... dimensions (hot 2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMpGrM5ECo
The Human Brain Project - Video Overview
=> the q.e.d. is coming soon

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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 26 Aug 2017, 10:35:01

Even if brain does work as a sort of quantum computer, it is quite likely that identical input run several times would give considerable different outputs.
That due to probabilistic nature of events taking place at the point of decoherrence of quantum systems.
Such events would leave output of brain largerly unpredictabe and could prove to be insurmountable obstacle in emulation attempts by digital systems.
Yet that is possibly a mechanism delivering *creativity*, as yet impossible task for computers.
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 14 Oct 2017, 04:26:57

Is our Universe a quantum computer simulating life on earth <=> human brains ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTKTTt47WE

Is Reality Real? The Simulation Argument

WOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d9i_0Ty7Cg

Thesis => Is light speed C the maximum speed our "universe computer"<=> "Rechenender Raum" is calculating

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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 19 Oct 2017, 23:01:39

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5136 ... -implants/
behind the robot show just how hard it is to get along with people.


Memory Implants
A maverick neuroscientist believes he has deciphered the code by which the brain forms long-term memories......

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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6090 ... xt-song/zu

“We decode realistic synthetic birdsong directly from neural activity,” the scientists announced in a new report published on the website bioRxiv. The team, which includes Argentinian birdsong expert Ezequiel Arneodo, calls the system the first prototype of “a decoder of complex, natural communication signals from neural activity.” A similar approach could fuel advances towards a human thought-to-text interface, the researchers say.
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 30 Oct 2017, 19:55:52

http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists- ... ally-exist

It is thinkable we are existing in a computer simulation.
=> Rechnender Raum

But what is with the spin of the universe?
Twisting photons to matter and matter to photons in black holes?

https://www.livescience.com/15063-antim ... nning.html
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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 04:21:59

When German "Astronaut" Commander Alexander Gerst is in command of the ISS he will be assist by a German made KI Robot :CIMON
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnpJI3WeiBg
=> :idea:

"Captain Future" with CIMON in Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwdjahzd-U

=> All thinkable is possible


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Re: Thesis: All thinkable is possible?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 25 Oct 2018, 08:31:18

https://seekingalpha.com/article/421188 ... on-failing

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Tesla shares popped after the electric vehicle automaker reported a surprise third-quarter profit on Wednesday.

Tesla shares rose more than 10 percent in premarket trading as analysts put out bullish notes to investors on what CEO Elon Musk called an "incredibly historic quarter" for the company....
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Tesla saves the day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1Mz7kGVf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWYj7RzuvA

Tesla <=> Musk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKWPdJWuBQ

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