[Doly]

OK, let's clarify a few more things:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', 'A')re you saying the earth isn't cooling?

[Liamj]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')The Earth does receive more energy than it emits. It just happens to be so in this planet. Jupiter, on the other hand, emits more than it receives. It has to do with the distance to the sun.

[tmazanec1]

It does not depend on distance. Earth emits less than it receives because in the geologically recent past we enhanced its greenhouse effect and it has not yet reached an equibibrium (besides, we are still doing it). Jupiter radiates more because of gravitational compression and dropping of helium into its core as the hydrogen rises.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pkwonofsocal', 'P')eople simply don't understand that in the modern world there are no 'islands'.

Any kind of soft landing will prolong energy consumption and earth destruction.

In my opinion, half of the world population will die within a half-year time period. Whatever happens after that is anybody's guess.

Soft Landing, which will let most of the consumers live, will finish off the earth probably for millions of years by giving them enough time to polish off the earth's remaining resources.

Human nature does not call for conservation, etc. If a tribe conserves an environment, there will always be another tribe which want to come in and take everything for little cost.

[onlooker]

Yes, again have to concede what Ibon has said across different threads only the Consequences of our collective actions will finally compel us to at least somewhat alter course. In fact, we can go further and say that only via a large human die off and a cessation of our toxic worldwide industrial civilization will our tremendously negative impact on the Biosphere finally abate. So yes, I fully agree at this point we will continue doing what we do, overpopulate and overconsume until we cannot so no Soft Landing is possible or desirable.

[ROCKMAN]

T - Speaking on behalf of the economies of the major oil consuming nations I would not characterize the frac'ng surge as a "soft land". Remember it only developed because of a huge increase in oil prices. And increase that has caused those economies to transfer several $TRILLIONS extra to the oil producers. Not a soft landing but a crash landing. And even though prices fallen consumers are still transferring about an extra $700 MILLION/year to producers then they were prior to the shale boom.

And let's not forget the off books cost to defend the ME oil production: $TRILLIONS is US et al tax dollars and thousands of our military's lives.

[KaiserJeep]

Damn, things really are getting Apocalyptically Doomerish around PeakOil.com.

For the record, I'm a believer in the form of Doom that happens when we run out of FF's we can afford to burn. But we just peaked about a decade ago, and there are three to five decades of affordable FF's remaining.

All of you sense that something is approaching. Well that something is the price of oil (trading at US$54/barrel this week) gradually busting through 60/70/80/90/100 US$ per barrel. There will be the usual oscillations caused by speculators, futures traders, and the like. But over the next few decades, prices go up. As they go up, more and more existing but idle petroleum sources, not profitable before this point, come online and prices stabilize, even dip slightly.

The overall oil expense trend will cause grumbling in the Western or 1st World, and widespread starvation in the 3rd World. Best we finish Trump's wall quickly, and supplement it with armed drones in the sky, delivering quick death to those attempting to cross our border without visas.

It is the latest act in a civilization that peaked some decades ago and is presently in steady decline. But it's no surprise to any Forum members who have been paying attention, and who actually believe in a concept called Peak Oil.