[dinopello]

I'd drive the same if it was 10 cents or 10 dollars a gallon but, yes cheaper gas means people do it more in general. And also pointed out that SUV and truck sales are up.

How do they get the vehicle miles driven statistic ? Some sort of sampling I imagine, but is it from traffic counts or polls or what ? Anyone know?

[ROCKMAN]

Pops - "Lots of oil...work great at $30/bbl." You mean like my 400 bopd that cost me $2/bbl to produce and not much more energy consumed by your average 1,600 sq ft home? As you point out once a well is drilled and completed EROEI is no longer a pertinent factor. The well might never return all the monies invested. In fact it might have an extremely low EROEI with regards to what it took to drill it. But during the production phase it might be returning 25X the product costs with an EROEI over 100. Just like sunk cost there's sunk EROEI.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'J')ust like sunk cost there's sunk EROEI.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')raffic Volume Trends is a monthly report based on hourly traffic count data reported by the States. These data are collected at approximately 4,000 continuous traffic counting locations nationwide and are used to estimate the percent change in traffic for the current month compared with the same month in the previous year. Estimates are re-adjusted annually to match the vehicle miles of travel from the Highway Performance Monitoring System and are continually updated with additional data.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')With airfare so expensive, I'm sure some just drove to their destination. I know for my family if i was to go to Florida...airplane tickets probably $400 or more x 5..i could drive there for a few hundred and not have to rent a vehicle when i got there.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')Reuters) - U.S. motorists took to the roads in record numbers in December, capping the fastest annual increase in miles driven for a decade, federal data showed on Thursday, a surge that analysts attribute to cheap gasoline and uptick in car sales.

He noted that vehicle sales for the November and December were the highest in history for the two months, with nearly 3 million vehicles sold.

"People with new cars like to drive them," he said.......

More: http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/03/1 ... F820150312

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')With airfare so expensive, I'm sure some just drove to their destination. I know for my family if i was to go to Florida...airplane tickets probably $400 or more x 5..i could drive there for a few hundred and not have to rent a vehicle when i got there.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I')f this cheap gasoline lasts for years, we could undo a whole lot of reduced consumption in recent years. How stupid is that?

[dolanbaker]

Here in the €urozone, the price of diesel & petrol is rising again mainly down to the decline in the value of the €uro relative to the $.
The price dropped from a peak of €1.55 last year down to €1.19 and is now €1.33 in Ireland.
The absolute maximum of €1.70 was reached three years ago.

[vox_mundi]

Gasoline use at lowest rate in three decades

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')verage fuel consumption by American drivers is at its lowest level in at least 30 years, says a University of Michigan researcher.

In a follow-up to a series of reports released over the past two years, Michael Sivak of the U-M Transportation Research Institute examined recent trends in fuel consumption by cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and vans in the U.S. fleet from 1984 to 2013.

His findings show that gallons of gasoline consumed per person, driver, vehicle and household are below 1984 levels—the first year of the study—and down 14 percent to 19 percent from peak levels a little more than a decade ago (2003-2004).

"Despite population growth of 8 percent, the absolute amount of fuel consumed by light-duty vehicles decreased by 11 percent during the period 2004—the year of maximum consumption—through 2013," said Sivak, a research professor at UMTRI and director of the Sustainable Worldwide Transportation research consortium.

Sivak found that in 2013 the amount of fuel consumed was about 392 gallons per person (down 17 percent from 2004), 583 gallons per driver (down 16 percent from 2004), 524 gallons per vehicle (down 14 percent from 2003) and 1,011 gallons per household (down 19 percent from 2004).

In 1984, annual fuel-consumption rates were 400 gallons per person, 608 gallons per driver, 602 gallons per vehicle and 1,106 gallons per household.

In addition to examining changes in fuel consumption, the study also analyzed changes in the number of vehicles and distance driven. For both measures, rates per person, driver, vehicle and household are at their lowest levels since the 1990s.

[Pops]

I think it says "through 2013"...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a follow-up to a series of reports released over the past two years, Michael Sivak of the U-M Transportation Research Institute examined recent trends in fuel consumption by cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and vans in the U.S. fleet from 1984 to 2013...

"Despite population growth of 8 percent, the absolute amount of fuel consumed by light-duty vehicles decreased by 11 percent during the period 2004—the year of maximum consumption—through 2013,"

Sivak found that in 2013 the amount of fuel consumed was about 392 gallons per person (down 17 percent from 2004),

[vox_mundi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') think it says "through 2013"...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a follow-up to a series of reports released over the past two years, Michael Sivak of the U-M Transportation Research Institute examined recent trends in fuel consumption by cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and vans in the U.S. fleet from 1984 to 2013...

"Despite population growth of 8 percent, the absolute amount of fuel consumed by light-duty vehicles decreased by 11 percent during the period 2004—the year of maximum consumption—through 2013,"

Sivak found that in 2013 the amount of fuel consumed was about 392 gallons per person (down 17 percent from 2004),

[Pops]

Just saying, it was down quite a bit through '13, until last year's price drop.

[DesuMaiden]

Well, if people drive less and use less petroleum it is only going to delay the consequences of peak oil from biting us sooner. It will not prevent the collapse of industrial civilization. But buying us more time is a good thing because it will help us prepare for whatever troubles may lie ahead. This will help people, who are peak oil informed, more time to prepare for troubles that lie ahead.

[misterno]

Look at the graph here

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... 600001&f=m

Car sales are going up and majority of the sales is now trucks which consume more gasoline

So is this graph wrong?

[rockdoc123]

here is an analysis of the situation
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2017/07/24/gasoline-volume-sales-and-our-changing-culture

the second chart is instructive ....gasoline prices, recession versus gasoline sales

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'L')ook at the graph here

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... 600001&f=m

Car sales are going up and majority of the sales is now trucks which consume more gasoline

So is this graph wrong?

[marmico]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o is this graph wrong?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'L')ook at the graph here

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... 600001&f=m

Car sales are going up and majority of the sales is now trucks which consume more gasoline

So is this graph wrong?