[I_Like_Plants]

I've lived under liberalism. I grew up under Political Correctness.

Under that regime, because I'm white, I'm last in line for everything from schooling to a job to buying a house to safety on the street.

Under that regime, nonwhite bullies in high school working in collaboration with nonwhite school officials as often as not deprived me of my lunch, and I weighed about 90 lbs. I needed that lunch. I grew up in fear, lived in fear, and my fondest dream would have been to have a machine gun with plenty of full clips to "cleanse" the high school. Their fondest dreams, given much more rein, were to "cleanse" the area of me. If I walked to the nonwhite owned store and was 2 cents short of the money I needed to buy food for my family's dinner, which I'd generally earned by cleaning a yard or something (lucky to get such work, it was a rare treat), I had to walk home and get the 2 cents somewhere. "Take a penny, leave a penny" is a white thing.

I was only able to get jobs too hard and dirty for anyone of any other race to want to do, and worked long hours while trying to get a college degree. At every turn, my being white was like an anchor around my neck. People like me, with my experiences, are not supposed to even exist. But we do. And once Big Momma Government isn't protecting her little nonwhite predator darlings, well, let's hope for their sake they can run fast.

It's taken me a long time to realize that parties like the BNP are the answer for the survival of myself and my folk. I was taught, like all Americans, to kiss the whip - to adore and vote for the liberal party and the politicians most devoted to killins us off.

Anyone who can come out and weigh the facts, in the face of the intense brainwashing we've all been through, and realize that the BNP and parties like it are the way to go, has a lot of backbone and is not saying those words lightly.

[BastardSquad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')There's no party in the US to match the BNP .... yet.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The definition of a Nationalist:
[...]
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively emphasizing national rather than international goals.
[...]

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', ' ')The definition of a Nationalist:

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.


Yes, the U.S. will benefit greatly from acting independently of the global system considering that its infrastructure, economy and lifestyle are utterly dependent on oil and natural gas IMPORTS.And you guys are bragging about the high IQ's of white people. Har

[I_Like_Plants]

Haha I like the Nationalist Party's front page where they show "how the democrats deal with child custody" etc., then how the repubs deal with our enemies (bush making kissy kissy with a wahabist then a zionist) lol!!!

Yes, the two major parties have failed us utterly.

And for the brits it's worse, one party for them and it's failed them.

[I_Like_Plants]

I'm all in favor of a Bund, of a friendship and trade between all white nations, if we're going to try to still be internationalist after peak oil knocks us back to a pre-1930s level of energy usage. Remember, we're going to go back to pre-1850, ultimately. When the ship were wood and the men were iron and all that. There was certainly lots of trade between nations then, but the volume was much, much, much, less.

It will be different though, there's a good chance radio won't be un-invented, and some other neat little tricks. So the sailing ship won't bring books over from England and Germany, etc., they'll be sent by CW or PSK or something and printed here.

We'd have to REALLY hit the skids for the US to become totally isolationist. It would take going right back to the paleolithic, and "our" becoming unaware that other nations over the sea exist.

[Jake_old]

For what its worth here's my 2c

I went to school at an almost all white school, there was 1 black lad and his sister, no Asians or any other ethnics.

There were gangs of white kids who used to beat up other gangs of white kids, bigger white kids who took dinner money of smaller white kids.

Council estate kids versus Private estate kids. Manchester United Fans versus Manchester City Fans etc..

The black lad got suspended for beating up someone (ok was pretty bad) who called him , you know, the word.

I beat someone up for constantly calling me big ears, I only got told off. We fight whatever, thats how it seems to me.

I wish I could look forward to the new era of global Fascism but I will probably be one of the first to go to the Thermal Depolimerisation machine, after those considered ethnics of course, so free thought and speech for all, while we still have it in the UK thats until December this year.

[POAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'A')s I said in the edited version of my post, does the BNP aim for a one-party dictatorship? My argument meant that if that's their aim then they dont deserve the right to free speech under a democracy. I dont claim that the motive of the BNP, I know little about the party apart from what I've read on the website and some of NicK Griffin's interviews.

But on the other hand, I know from the BNP website that they believe that the salvation of Britain depends on their coming to power. That's a dangerous ideological position. Also some of the comments posted by BNP members like Lee Barnes are extremely disturbing

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the BNP are allowed to take power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one party that can solve tis crisis , the one party that has the Will and Vision to fight for our future.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he BNP is NOT for dictatorship at all. 100% democracy, both before they come to power and after. If I thought any different I wouldn't be with them.

[POAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he BNP is NOT for dictatorship at all. 100% democracy, both before they come to power and after. If I thought any different I wouldn't be with them.

[Jake_old]

POAN

Why do we not have free speech at the moment? Its a serious question BTW I may be missing something. I've said some radical things before and not been arrested? Whether on the Net, In the pub, at work etc..

I think we do have free speech.

Perhaps I'm dillusional.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') respect greatly that 99% of you havn't lowered yourselves to the levels of the ignorant by calling me racist, hate-monger and all the other unjustified buzz words. However, I refuse to answer rediculous, imature cheap shots like that that really all they do is make the poster look childish and without a justified opinion

[Tyler26]

To make it easier for you, two questions is plain English:
How can BNP be pro democracy when it does not accept equality (a pre-requisite for modern Western democracy)?

Well for a start thats just 1 question as far as I can see. I'll answer it as i see it so please bear with me.

democracy

noun

1 {U} the belief in freedom and equality between people.

I fail to see how accepting that there are genetic differences between different races makes the BNP anti democracy. This doesnt mean that an Asian or Black person is any less of a man than myself. As far as im concerned when discussing the term "equality" in the context of democracy it is in relation to the equality of the voter. Ie the vote of a low paid Black/White person is as equal as the vote of. say, an Asian doctor. One man, one vote springs to mind.

Now i may have totally got this wrong but i dont see how the argument about genetics has any bearing on the ability/right to vote.

[rs]

For me, it doesn't matter whether we are white, black, chinese, russian, indian, greek, christian, buddhist, islamic, male, female, liberal, fascist, conservatist, communist, one leg,two legs, blue eyes, big ears..

We will always have our differences and we will always fight over them. That is the nature of the beast.

Quite saddening really...

[EnergySpin]

There was going to be another question but was erased and forgot to change the introduction
Let's try this now ....
If genetic differences among races have no bearing to voting rights, then why do the appear in the manifesto of a democratic party ? They are at best irrelevant, at worse misleading. It is easy to see why :
- well meaning people might think that you have to do away with democracy i.e. restrict the right to vote to inferior races
- people who want the inferior parts of the population to lose their rights (since their are inferior) and hence vote a party with that agenda will be mislead and thus have their vote "stolen"

In a previous post, I mentioned a preoccupation in the manifesto with the "natural law" which is portrayed as the ultimate law and gold-standard for truth, personal and civi behaviour. But that law embraces inequality and uses it as a strong guiding principle. Democracy embraces equality so democracy seems to be against the natural law. But if the natural law is the penultimate law, democracy has to go (or at least restricted to the superior members of the society). Not doing that renders the natural law an empty shell invalidating the premises of the manifesto.
So for a first answer it was a good one, but at least to me the manifesto and the democracy are logically inconsistent.
One is either lying to people saying that the natural law is the ultimate law OR one is lying about the commitment to democracy.
I have to say that I do see one way out for this to be solved (at least initially): i.e. the massive deportation of ALL non white British citizens. Maybe this is a way to reconcile things. Care to comment on that?

And the use of the word "different" and not "unequal" in the reply did not escape me

[I_Like_Plants]

There's no equality in the US, different races have different rights and it's all written into federal law. Whites are on the bottom, although if they have money they can often buy their way out of the jail, the gas chamber, etc.

I much prefer the BNP's policies.

[Tyler26]

Can you please show me where on the BNP's stance/manifesto it directly links genetics to voting? I cannot see where it says that "because of genetics X people are more valuable than Y people and have more rights to vote"

Quote from BNP manifesto about differing genetics between races:
"This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic group or race is ‘superior' or ‘inferior'; we simply recognise that – as any biologist would be able to predict, and the new medical science of pharmacogenetics is now confirming – human populations which have undergone micro-evolutionary changes while being separated for many thousands of years have developed differences in many fields of endeavour, susceptibility to health problems, behavioural tendencies and such like. "

Seems pretty fair to me.

And as for deporting all non-whites that is also against the BNP's stance. Why are you deliberately trying to provoke an argument out of nothing?When will people realise that we are not a party of knuckle dragging racists and seek to preserve for all, not just white people, safety prosperity and freedom.

And the use of the word "different" and not "unequal" in the reply did not escape me
My friend i'm not that well educated in the use of the English Language to mean something other than i'm saying, you learn that as a politician. But I do not believe other races are "unequal" as you put it, another inflamatory remark or wasn't that the intention? If not i apologise.

Anyone can read the manifesto for themselves and see what we are really about, thank you

[Jake_old]

I like Plants

Can you point me to some reading material which might convince me of this?

I like Bob Dylans line

And the poor white remains
on the kabous of the train
only a pawn in their game

but i don't quite get it. Do we have less rights than others?

Sorry

In America do Whites have less rights?

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler26', 'C')an you please show me where on the BNP's stance/manifesto it directly links genetics to voting? I cannot see where it says that "because of genetics X people are more valuable than Y people and have more rights to vote"

Quote from BNP manifesto about differing genetics between races:
"This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic group or race is ‘superior' or ‘inferior'; we simply recognise that – as any biologist would be able to predict, and the new medical science of pharmacogenetics is now confirming – human populations which have undergone micro-evolutionary changes while being separated for many thousands of years have developed differences in many fields of endeavour, susceptibility to health problems, behavioural tendencies and such like. "

Seems pretty fair to me.

And as for deporting all non-whites that is also against the BNP's stance. Why are you deliberately trying to provoke an argument out of nothing?When will people realise that we are not a party of knuckle dragging racists and seek to preserve for all, not just white people, safety prosperity and freedom.

And the use of the word "different" and not "unequal" in the reply did not escape me
My friend i'm not that well educated in the use of the English Language to mean something other than i'm saying, you learn that as a politician. But I do not believe other races are "unequal" as you put it, another inflamatory remark or wasn't that the intention? If not i apologise.

Anyone can read the manifesto for themselves and see what we are really about, thank you

[Novus]

I guess he said a little too much.

THE self-declared Nazi founder of the British National Party died yesterday after a life punctuated by prison sentences and extraordinary feuds amid the flickering political fortunes of the far Right.



John Tyndall, 71, former chairman of the National Front, was found dead by his wife at their home in Hove shortly before 8am. Police said that there were no suspicious circumstances. It is believed that he had a heart attack.

He was expected to appear at Leeds Crown Court tomorrow with Nick Griffin, who ousted him as BNP leader. They faced six charges of inciting racial hatred after being secretly filmed by the BBC addressing far-Right meetings last year.

Mr Tyndall never renounced his Nazi views or abandoned his admiration for Hitler. Matthew Collins, a former National Front colleague who now works for the anti-fascist Searchlight magazine, said: "This is the end of an era. Tyndall was a thorn in the side of Britain's ethnic-minority communities for 50 years. We are not sad to see his passing. But we do recognise that, however nasty he was, he had at least some consistency and scruples. Unlike Nick Griffin, who has cut and trimmed to make the BNP appear more acceptable, Tyndall stayed true to his principles of wanting an all-white Britain. He was a true Nazi."

Mr Tyndall was a leading force in at least seven neo-Nazi and far-Right groups, four of which he subsequently split. He was imprisoned on three occasions for offences ranging from creating a paramilitary organisation to breaking race relations laws. During his last jail sentence, in 1986, he wrote an autobiographical account of his life modelled on Hitler's Mein Kampf. It was entitled The Eleventh Hour.

After being converted to national socialism during a spell in the Army, he embarked on his political career by joining the League of English Loyalists in 1957. By 1968 Tyndall had joined the National Front and, within two years, he was the party's chairman.

He presided over the movement's heyday in the 1970s, when a candidate won second place at a parliamentary election in West Bromwich.

He founded the breakaway New National Front, which in 1982 became the BNP. This he led until 1999 when, in another bitter personal ruction, he was replaced by Mr Griffin, who subsequently twice expelled Tyndall from the party. A BNP spokesman said that although Tyndall was expelled from the party in 2003, and again this year after being readmitted, he was an "excellent chap with a keen analytical mind".

Phil Edwards said: "John was a great fellow who knew exactly what our movement was about. But it is fair to say that he was not able to carry that forward to electoral success.

"It is a pity he did not just stand down. He tried to criticise the current leadership, and he should not have done that."

Mr Tyndall still regularly topped the bill at BNP rallies, including the one at which he was filmed by the BBC.

Mr Edwards said: "He was a marvellous speaker. He could hold a room and mesmerise them, but he did not have the answer to the problems. I am sure he would have denied the charges against him."