[I_Like_Plants]

I'd get some of those military surplus 5-gallon cans, you know, the kind they carry on the back of a jeep. Safe, durable, handy size, and should not be too expensive.

[Pops]

I’d think like diesel kero would last a while as long as it didn’t get wet and moldy or whatever diesel gets.
As long as your denatured alcohol doesn’t evaporate - if it lasts that long.
I ask my old papa why he called his brew
Ethanol instead of mountain dew
I took a look around and right away I knew
The FBI was coming and the ATF too

Mighty mighty pleasing
Papa’s corn squeezing

[papalegba]

Great poem Pop! I'll pass that one around - the old boys in the neighborhood will get a laugh out of it!

[Pops]

I meant to add (for you young whipersnappers out there) to sing that little ditty to the tune of George Jones’ “White Lightnin” .

[papalegba]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'T')he gas now sold, around here anyway, is utter crap. Gas I bought in March is already incapable of running a lawnmower. I thought it might have gotten contaminated but I talked with a friend who is a faller (professional tree killer) and he told me all the loggers are bitching about how the shitty fuel is wrecking their $1200 saws.
Even with stabilizer I doubt the crud they're selling now will last more than 6 months in storage. That's why I'm tilling-up as much garden soil as I can before the $100/barrel "oil shock" hits this winter.

[oowolf]

Yes, get a good axe, crosscut saw (you'll soon find out why they're called misery whips), a bow saw or two, wedges, maul, and a good wagon. Prices for clean crosscut saws on ebay are rising steadily. A friend recently got a goodin' at a goodwill store for 5 bucks! Hit the yard sales and farm auctions.

[Pops]

Garrett Wade has some that look good but though they have a pretty catalog and everything I have bought from them is good quality, you pay three prices for everything – they are online.
Also Highland Hardware has lots of the same tools – not all, and the prices are better.
oowolf or oldsprocket will probably have ideas.

[Pops]

I looked in the catalog and Highland has a 2-man 53” saw – 2tpi not the big gullet kind for $60 plus the handles for $6 the pair. A 1-man saw is $50. (they were easy to find cause the page was dog-eared so my little Santa could find it)

Highlandhardware.com

[drew]

I've thought about storage too, and figure only a 55 gallon drum, or two, will be enough. Figure rationing or shortages could last months. Why would you want to sit in line for hours or days? As for storage, your home insurance would likely become void if you were storing much more than a few gallons. As for safety, I would recommend driving a large ground spike into the earth and solidly anchoring a jumper cable to it which clamps onto said drum. I worked for a printer and this was how I saw it done in the storage shed. This shed was full of nasty alcohols and acetones which are nice and dangerous just like petrol.

Drew

[papalegba]

Thanks for the lead to Highland Hardware; they have both two-man and one-man crosscut saws for cheaper than I could find them on the net. They also sell wood jacks, which I have been looking for too.

[Idahoil]

I was wondering the maximum life of gasoline, before it goes bad.
Hypothetically speaking: if a large, 2 trailer gasoline truck were hijacked (stolen) and stored in a cool place (in a barn underground?), how long would the gasoline last?
I see this scenario possibly occurring here in the US within the next few years; especially in rural areas (like where I live)...

[ubercrap]

Oh, around a year I believe.

[frankthetank]

I've used gasoline stored from fall the following late spring in my boat motor. Didn't put anything in it...although you don't want gasoline in the motor itself...only in the tank. I hear it can gum up if you leave it in the motor.

[MonteQuest]

Gasoline is designed for cradle-to-grave of about six weeks. In normal use, it is seldom stored for longer than that, however, it has enough stability so storage for a year is not a problem.
Gumming up carburetors and the formation of varnish or shellack is a big issue if left too long in a gas tank.
Gasoline: Use It or Lose It
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��Modern gasolines,” according to automotive writer Bill Siuru, “are not what they used to be. They are now much more perishable with significantly reduced shelf life because gasolines are less stable today,” due to the addition to gasoline of oxygenating agents, such as MTBE (methyl tertiary-butyl ether) and ethanol. The agents attract moisture and oxidize readily, and both processes lead to the formation of noncombustible products that reduce octane and lead to deposit formation.
Engines stored with a partial fill of gasoline in the tanks and lines are more prone to damage, since they are subjected to the products of gasoline breakdown for extended periods.
Siuru recommends storing vehicles with full gas tanks to minimize the dead space, filled with oxygen and moisture, in the tank and to minimize the surface area of gasoline available to interact with the oxygen and moisture. He recommends adding a gasoline stabilizer to the tanks of store vehicles.

[lawnchair]

Depends on what you want to use it for.
I wouldn't put 6-month-old gas in a modern fuel-injected little sewing machine of a car.
I'd be a lot more willing to put 6-18 month old fuel in the good old 1972 Cadillac (500 in^3 engine). I know the carburateor on it, and the fuel lines.
I've used many-year-old fuel (white gas, i.e. slightly purer gasoline) in "multifuel" Coleman-style stoves. I can clean a campstove to bare metal bits. In my opinion, probably the choisest use of old stored gasoline.

[Tuike]

Good question! I was beginning to wonder should I hoard gas as I read Twilight in the Desert onward. Apparently I shouldn't.

[RonMN]

I've added the gasoline additive "STA-BIL" to a 5 gallon tank & it lasted for 2 years...however this was for my lawnmower & snow blower...i wouldn't trust it enough to put in my car after 2 years.

[MD]

I had previously found products that claimed to stabilize diesel fuel for years. There are also products that claim to be able to restore stale gasoline, even after many years of storage.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I') had previously found products that claimed to stabilize diesel fuel for years. There are also products that claim to be able to restore stale gasoline, even after many years of storage.

[Devil]

As tanks have breathers to avoid a pressure build-up, you will lose a small amount of the contents in the form of vapour at every temperature rise. As motor fuels are not azeotropic, you will tend to lose proportionally more of the lighter components than the heavier ones. This will have the effect of reducing the octane rating, so that the engine may start to suffer if it goes below a certain point.