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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:23:57

In the book Lucifers Hammer it was noted that women's liberation died the moment the first piece of the Hamner Comet hit the Pacific Ocean.

With post-peak humanity, I think it can be safely said that liberalism will die the moment the last cars are abandoned parked permanently in the long gas lines that will sit and rust adorning the worlds cities and snaking frozen through the worlds uncounted towns.

We are heading into a far differnt world than we have ever known before. Forget all your pre-conceived ideas and begin to think about starting fresh... if you're among the fortunate 10% who survive.

The questions will soon be, "who will that 10% be?" And, "how will it be determined?" The answers to these critical questions will be appealing to no one.

You better get used to it. Name-calling will not secure a breakfast.
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Re: BNP discussion

Postby Phil » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:29:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')I live in Japan, and know Japanese people very well from first hand experience. Out of the hundreds of people I have come to know, I've only met one who wanted to kick all the foreigners out. The Japanese are extremely welcoming and tolerant of foreigners. Xenophobic assholes like yourself are very much a fringe minority.


Yeah right. That's why Japan - a successful and advanced society that billions of people would love to live in - is 99% Japanese. Korea is the same. You wouldn't be able to convince a Korean that 5 million Pakistanis would benefit his society like you can a gullible, brainwashed, self-loathing liberal White.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Japan today remains one of the most racially homogenous cultures in the world. There are still lingering sentiments of Japanese racial superiority, especially in comparison to the other Asian cultures. However, Japan has formed close ties to American culture in both politics and entertainment. Despite their defeat in WWII, the Japanese do not foster strong feelings of resentment against individual Americans. Japan has become a major tourist site for people from South Korea, UK, and the United States, working to bring additional money into the economy.

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Postby venky » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'M')ike Godwin can take Godwin's Law and blow it out his fat ass. This isn't a game you fuckwit.

If you want to stick up for the fascists and racists, do it upfront like a man. Don't hide behind some juvenile little game that you think we're all going to play along with.


Fascists and racists are people too! So are liberals and socialists! That being said, I don't see the BNP getting ready to invade Europe in a Nazi style takeover.

BTW, I missed the proof that links the BNP to racism. Care to repost the evidence?

I am of English decent with a little Native American thrown in for good measure. I don't see how anti-immigration equals racism.


Anti-Immigration by itself is not necessarily racism. But this goes beyound that. I suggest you read the reply given by Lee of the BNP at New Era Investor. Also read the BNP manifesto.
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Postby jato » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:37:44

Aw come on, quote me the worst paragraph or two so we can analyze it. Try and convince me that the BNP promotes racism.
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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:42:20

On a few years everyone will be anti-immigration.

In fact, we shall more than likely adopt an active pro-emigration policy as a means of reducing the population without killing off quite so many.

If that happens, and there is no reason why it couldn't, the question will be, "who do we enlist to emigrate?"

Hey relax, drop the weapons... lol... I'm just exploring possibilities. If you are across the table from me in 15 years we can together discuss, "who next?"
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Postby JohnDenver » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:42:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'I') don't see how anti-immigration equals racism.


You're right, they're not the same thing. They're kind of like flies and shit -- they tend to be found together.
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Postby jato » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:45:30

I can get behind anti-immigration (I wavier back and forth on the issue). However, I am not a racist. Perhaps I am a fly who prefers to eat steak instead of shit. :-D

Why are/were you so fired up about the BNP John?
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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:46:06

Aw come on, quote me the worst paragraph or two so we can analyze it. Try and convince me that the BNP promotes racism.

It won't happen Jato. All you're going to get on this topic is a Donald Sutherlin imitation... lol.

Hey, I'll take my Peak Oil awareness where ever it is!! :-D
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Postby EnergySpin » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:48:00

Is response to blood pressure medication a behavioural trend?
"It has uncovered differences in response to medications; in fact here in the States the medical profession became involved in a lengthy argument on labeling a medication as for African Americans only. This has been the only real outcome of "racial" pharmacogenomics as applied to race"
And it was so widely debated that it is not even funny any more.
The vast majority of physicians deplore this "marketing propaganda"

I noticed you have started quoting from Murrays Bell Curve right?

Murray is not exactly well received in the BioMedical Community because he relentelessly quoted studies with falsified data from the 50- 70s, and he was more interested in coining up terms like "dysgenic traits". He also had an excellent ability to twist statistics to fit his preconceived interpretations.
Regarding the IQ studies: Any study that fails to adjust for socioeconomic level and cultural factors will never be able to make a case for a racial superiority. The Japanese have an average IQ 110-115 when the tests use a plethora of image based questions. Their language makes it extremely easy to process pictorial information. The difference disappears when this factor is taken into account. So the Japanese should have you flip their sussie if I'm reading you right.
When cultural factors are taken into account, IQ differences disappear (i.e. the IQ scale is relative not absolute)

BTW educate yourself on the Bell Curve (i.e. the Gaussian distribution, not the book). The test is standardized to have a mean of 100 with a standard deviation of 15. So a difference between 96 and 98 in such a curve is non-existent. So do your stats and call me back :razz:
Coming from a military family with two grandfathers who fought in WWII and who participated in the Resistance during WWII, a grandmother who was held hostage by the occupation forces and a mother who almost died of hunger in occupied Europe during WWII I find the rest of your comments insulting. And yes they did bear no grudge against the Germans or anyone else for that manner.
Do everyone (and above all yourself) a favour and pick up a real scientific book and not propaganda and study it carefully. BTW with 30% of all UK doctors being foreigners, I hope you are willing to die so that no one smears your whiteness trying to help you.
I'm glad that you and the other BNPers showed your face .... time to activate our societal reflexes both here in the US and back in Europe
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Postby venky » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:50:05

what about

Here is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the BNP are allowed to take power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one part that can solve tis crisis , the one party that has the Wil and Vision to fight for our future.
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Postby JohnDenver » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:53:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'I') can get behind anti-immigration (I wavier back and forth on the issue). However, I am not a racist. Perhaps I am a fly who prefers to eat steak instead of shit. :-D

Why are/were you so fired up about the BNP John?


Read this Jato, and tell me what you think of it:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he idea that Peak Oil can be solved through liberal fantasising that we all hold hands and sing ' all you need is love 'whilst wearing daisy chains around our necks is the last resort of the liberal nostaligic.

The New Dark Age that we are entering is an age of Nationalism not internationalism. The idea that Britain can solve the Peak Oil crash through more internationalisation is like saying you can prevent heroin addiction by injecting the addict with more and more heroin.

The time comes when Bio-Regionalism, Closed Borders, Steady State Eco-Economics and a Directed Economy aimd at preventing the collapse of social complexity has to be adopted. The Middle Class Leftists, the capitalist lackeys , the Marxist enviornmentalists, the international socialists and liberals and the bogus reactionary rightists will all be swept away by Peak Oil. And thank the Gods for that.

If any leftist on this site can put forard a vaild idea how sixty seventy million people in Britain grow enough food without oil based pesticides and intensive agricultural techniques based on oil - and still argue for open borders and more mass immigration into Britain - then lets hear it.

The fact is you havent got a clue. Your day , and the ideology that you held, is dead. The New Age of Eco-Nationalism has begun.

Here is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the BNP are allowed to take power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one part that can solve tis crisis , the one party that has the Wil and Vision to fight for our future.

The Steady State Eco-Economics Model of the BNP based on Bio-Regionalism and national environmental autarchy under the control of a Ministry of Finance and a central British National Bank that will direct and control the scial evolutionary changes that are requred in order for our nationa and people to survive this nightmare are the sole solution.

We will no longer listen to the mouse squeaks of the left and the liberals as they try and prevent our national revolution - they along with the capitalists led us to this Gehenna.

You now have a clear choice - either join us or get out of our way. Our path to power is now clear before us ,and you laid the foundations to our victory with our complicity , duplicity, criminality , corruption, arrogance and greed.

When Judgement Day begins then the guilty will pay for their crimes against our people. Capitalist wil stand bsie communist, liberal and maxis green in the Peoples Courts.

You have one cance and one chance only.

If you join us now we can forgive yo.

Fight us and you will pay the price in the future.

When the lights begin to flicker and the electricity begins to fail our power will grow.

Further debate is not required. You know we are right and that you have no answers other than ours.

The left , the reactionary right, and the liberals and the socialists hav neither the vision or the stength to evole this nation to the point where it can survive.

The old left/right political model is dead - now we are united in pursuit of a new higher national goal , to survive this crisis.

Identity politics is the future of British politics - the programme of the BNP is the future.

We will not let ieological dinosaurs using their faile and asinine langage of ' Hitler this and that ' divert us from our mission.

The era of laxity and apathy is over - the Eraof Eco-Nationalism has begun.

Repent your past and join with us or suffer punishment when the time comes for yor crimes.


We're not just talking about anti-immigration. We're talking about an entire political agenda, justified by peak oil, of which anti-immigration is the most benign part. Are you willing to buy the whole package?
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Postby EnergySpin » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:55:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'A')w come on, quote me the worst paragraph or two so we can analyze it. Try and convince me that the BNP promotes racism.

Page 15 of their manifesto sounds pretty racist to me
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')urthermore, when we speak of ‘British democracy’ we do so in an ethnic as well as
a civic sense. We do not accept the absurd superstition – propagated for different
though sometimes overlapping reasons by capitalists, liberals, Marxists and
theologians - of human equality. Whether the now totally discredited feminist
argument that men and women are innately the same, to the partly refuted egalitarian
claim that everyone within a given population is born as a blank slate with the same
innate potential, or to the still dominant Politically Correct denial of the existence of
differences on average between members of different races– we reject all these
irrational myths
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Emphasis mine. My blood pressure shot up, I'm going to bed.
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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:56:33

Here is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the Republicans are allowed to resume power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one party that can solve this crisis, the one party that has the Will and Vision to fight for our future.


We'll hear this speech at the 2008 Republican Convention.... and change a few words and it will also be spoken at all the other party conventions, both in the US and in Europe and throughout the world.
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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:59:07

I can't believe he went all the way to page 15 before he found that...lol. Man, it really doesn't get better than this... :lol:
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Postby EnergySpin » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 02:59:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e'll hear this speech at the 2008 Republican Convention.... and change a few words and it will also be spoken at all the other party conventions, both in the US and in Europe and throughout the world.

Thanks eastbay you made my day :razz: 8O :!:
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Postby EnergySpin » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 03:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't believe he went all the way to page 15 before he found that...lol. Man, it really doesn't get better than this...

That's why my medical students are scared of me. I always know when they have not done their homework and trying to flood me with BS.
I am thinking I should not take that UK job ... maybe I should take that job at Cook County. It's probably safer. Downtown LA too :razz:
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Postby eastbay » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 03:05:24

You're welcome my friend... glad to help place matters into perspective. 8O

Good night.
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Postby JohnDenver » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 03:09:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'B')TW, I missed the proof that links the BNP to racism. Care to repost the evidence?


The BNP only allows membership by those of British or closely kindred European stock.

I'd certainly call that a racist policy if any other organization enforced it.

From the BNP Constitution:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP

1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.

2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.

3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2

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Postby jato » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 03:10:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he old left/right political model is dead - now we are united in pursuit of a new higher national goal , to survive this crisis.




$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'W')e're not just talking about anti-immigration. We're talking about an entire political agenda, justified by peak oil, of which anti-immigration is the most benign part. Are you willing to buy the whole package?


No. However, they appear to be Nationalists (really jato? You think?) not racists. Who knows, when my lights go out and stay out I might become a Nationalist.
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Postby Chocky » Mon 18 Jul 2005, 03:10:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')till dominant Politically Correct denial of the existence of differences on average between members of different races– we reject all these irrational myths .


If there are no differences between 'members of different races', why are most African countries basket cases and most western countries more or less functional?
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