[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'S')o sorry to hear this SeaGypsy. People can wreak a lot of havoc in other people's lives with their mental illness.
Hang in there.

[dolph9]

I had two major depression episodes before I even knew about peak oil. Since then I've had another, buy my thought processes were immature even then.

As I study peak oil and collapse more, the less depressed I get about it. I see it as something of a corrective, in fact. And a license to do what I want. If civilization is collapsing, and it is, that means that your obligations to it are nil. Within reason of course, obviously it helps to get a good income and have a comfortable life.

But think of the billions who are working so hard, stressing about this or the other! If only they realized everything is going to come down, think of how cooler and more interesting they would be. They would become part timers, philosophers, stoners, etc.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', ' ')by now I'm supposed to have- lost my job, gone mad, sleeping in the gutter, wearing out my sneakers, stinking. She doesn't like my success without her. Spite can be a form of mental illness.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolph9', '
')
But think of the billions who are working so hard, stressing about this or the other! If only they realized everything is going to come down, think of how cooler and more interesting they would be. They would become part timers, philosophers, stoners, etc.

[Newfie]

I for one think about it too much! Freaking thrilled to be retired and returned to my normal immature irresponsible self. Finally a job I can get behind, one I love, RETIREMENT.

[Newfie]

Sea,

My ex-wife was also a nutter. I was quite literally afraid for my life towards the end, the last year or so. It runs in her family. I knew her Grand Mother, her two aunts. Her Father, and brother. All nutters. I thought is skipped her Father but in the end he left a will designed to damage any remaining family ties. Nasty stuff.

Unfortunately it has infected one of my sons badly and he is not doing well. Another seems to have it but is functional, at a distance. I'm not seeing it in any of the grand kids so far. It's a different type of affliction that I don't know how to name. The most common, obvious trait is a desire, need, to destroy and/or alienate other family members. It's "anti-family." At times it goes beyond simple hatefulness to malicious engagement. Almost as if instead of suicide you wanted to kill your family.

I don't know how someone could diagnose this without seeing it expressed over the generations. And I've never heard of it discussed or mentioned elsewhere. But it is a clear pattern, once you view it across generations.

Why I got involved in that family is a mystery to me. That I got out is like having a life sentence to Devils Island commuted. My one son who seems to have escaped it has come to a similar conclusion. Which is a pity that the three boys and their Mother should be estranged from one another, but inevitable. Obviously it still effects me to some extent. I retain what relationships I can but all I can do is not engage in the hate. And wait.

[Revi]

Back to Depression. We all feel that we are just cogs in some gigantic system, and that gives us a feeling of being dependent. I find that doing small things like growing a garden or running a small business help me to feel a sense of agency, or the ability to affect my life. I find I am too busy to become very depressed. It doesn't completely cover my sadness, but it keeps me busy. Just knowing about peak oil and climate change is a bit of a bummer.
Sadder but wiser...

[ROCKMAN]

Revi - "It doesn't completely cover my sadness". Just like you're not paranoid if they are really after you. Being sad/depressed is OK if there's a valid reason. What's important is how you respond to it.

For instance just last week I was just diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia, a rare and extremely (but sporadic) painful complication of MS. Started a new medication on Tuesday. So what do I do: get mad? Curse Dog? Let anger/depression control my dealings with others? Except with my wife, of course: she wouldn't put up with my crap. LOL.

No, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '
')No, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.

[Newfie]

We planted 4 fruit trees today, 2 pear & 2 plum. At the hunting cabin. They are plant and forget. They may not survive because we aren't here to care for them, just passing through. But it made us feel good, like we did something for our kids, not to mention the simple exercise and fresh air.

[Revi]

I am still working, so that is the reason for some of my depression. I am going to have to fill the time when I am retired or I can see getting depressed. I am thinking of retiring next year, if I can afford to do it. I am pretty sure I am not going to live to a really old age, so maybe it's going to be time to cash out of the system and start to live a different way. A lot of the reason for my sadness has to do with things out of my control.

[Newfie]

Get a boat, never more a free moment!

But seriously, there are very, very few things within our control. There are a couple of excellent TED talks on happiness. It may be one of the few things we can sway, if not control.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')ea,

My ex-wife was also a nutter. I was quite literally afraid for my life towards the end, the last year or so. It runs in her family. I knew her Grand Mother, her two aunts. Her Father, and brother. All nutters. I thought is skipped her Father but in the end he left a will designed to damage any remaining family ties. Nasty stuff.

Unfortunately it has infected one of my sons badly and he is not doing well. Another seems to have it but is functional, at a distance. I'm not seeing it in any of the grand kids so far. It's a different type of affliction that I don't know how to name. The most common, obvious trait is a desire, need, to destroy and/or alienate other family members. It's "anti-family." At times it goes beyond simple hatefulness to malicious engagement. Almost as if instead of suicide you wanted to kill your family.

I don't know how someone could diagnose this without seeing it expressed over the generations. And I've never heard of it discussed or mentioned elsewhere. But it is a clear pattern, once you view it across generations.

Why I got involved in that family is a mystery to me. That I got out is like having a life sentence to Devils Island commuted. My one son who seems to have escaped it has come to a similar conclusion. Which is a pity that the three boys and their Mother should be estranged from one another, but inevitable. Obviously it still effects me to some extent. I retain what relationships I can but all I can do is not engage in the hate. And wait.

[SeaGypsy]

I once had a job where I got a quadriplegic guy out of bed every day (60-90 minute routine), put him back to bed every evening (30 minute routine) every day for about 6 months. Probably the most awesome human being i ever met. Happened to him on his 18th birthday, got beaten up, left in the road & hit by a hit & run driver. He was 24 when I met him, he's 32 now, hasn't moved a muscle below his neck since that day. He has no bitterness, no anger, no resentment, a measure of hope, a beautiful mind & a whole lot of love in his life. Since Barry, i can't get depressed, he knocked it out of me forever.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'N')o, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.

[onlooker]

What a heck of a story Sea. We on this site could have more than most to be depressed about given what info we are following. But depression is a sure way to unhappiness. Smile and smile even more at adversity

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EdwinSm', 'B')eing in the thread of Peak Oil Discussion, are you referring to a depression in oil prices, a depression in oil production, or a feeling of depression at not seeing more of that naked women???

ps. If you think that last item has nothing to do with Peak Oil need I remind you of the source material for condoms etc?

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') once had a job where I got a quadriplegic guy out of bed every day (60-90 minute routine), put him back to bed every evening (30 minute routine) every day for about 6 months. Probably the most awesome human being i ever met. Happened to him on his 18th birthday, got beaten up, left in the road & hit by a hit & run driver. He was 24 when I met him, he's 32 now, hasn't moved a muscle below his neck since that day. He has no bitterness, no anger, no resentment, a measure of hope, a beautiful mind & a whole lot of love in his life. Since Barry, i can't get depressed, he knocked it out of me forever.

[SeaGypsy]

No, I've been there. It's more like total disconnect between the essential elements of the sense of self, full internal dissonance & isolation. Nobody elses state is significant.

[Newfie]

I think it can slip up on you without knowing it. It slowly becomes your new norm. If you don't have some way to reset, to get away from the grind, get some distance and reflect, well you may never know you are depressed.