[KaiserJeep]

Those that deny history will be forced to repeat it.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Had it occurred to you that perhaps, even racists, or simple right-wingers would prefer not to be reminded of their own racist pasts. Not all racists are idiots.

[Cog]

Decades of Marxist leaning professors have finally borne fruit for the left. Safe spaces, no free speech zones, destroying history and rewriting it, are all outcomes of this.

[Newfie]

It's not the kids.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', 'W')e have the same thing in my country too Cog. We have had decades of left leaning professors too.

[Subjectivist]

You forgot the Home School movement in your list.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'T')hose that deny history will be forced to repeat it.

[Ayoob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'Y')ou forgot the Home School movement in your list.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'T')hose that deny history will be forced to repeat it.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', ' ')Even the idea that private schools are better despite the massively greater funding is doubtful under many studies.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Had it occurred to you that perhaps, even racists, or simple right-wingers would prefer not to be reminded of their own racist pasts. Not all racists are idiots.

[jedrider]

We have world class educational institutions. I hardly think that they are at fault.

However, a society that doesn't value education seems to be more an impediment than the institutions themselves.

We have a society really polarized and unable to communicate with each other. A recipe for disaster as is currently unfolding.

I don't see how we unwind this current predicament: The truth is not pleasant, so why should the truth being given any higher priority than anything else?

I see people fixed in their politic views and changing their views will not make them any happier. A bit of a conundrum IMO.

[Tanada]

We have a scatter few world class educational institutions and a vast number of diploma mills that don't care how ignorant you are so long as your tuition check clears at the bank.

[evilgenius]

Another thing is a problem, although it is only a problem for the conscientious. That is that while the scientific approach works fantastically it necessitates experiment. The whole idea with experiment is to find out if theory meets reality. The conscientious will not experiment with an entire generation of children. They won't experiment with a subset, or risk taking a few valuable years out of even one child's life.

You can argue that where education is now requires experiment to figure out how to do it better. The trouble with that kind of thinking, however, is that it would exclude the conscientious from the system. I think the system needs the conscientious. I also think it needs some experiment. Perhaps a method of experiment which exercised enough self-restraint that it never tried to go too far over any one period would fit the bill? There is a danger in this approach as well. It could be that what is required to arrive at the kind of change needed must have a sort of critical mass in order to work. You can see that this may, in fact, be true from viewing the importance of peer groups in children's lives. This alone isn't a stopper, but it does mean that changes have to occur across more than a narrow range of students at any one time. It also means they can't come completely out of context, such that speculation over them leads to misunderstanding and abuse which run counter to the goals of any initiative.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'A')nother thing is a problem, although it is only a problem for the conscientious. That is that while the scientific approach works fantastically it necessitates experiment. The whole idea with experiment is to find out if theory meets reality. The conscientious will not experiment with an entire generation of children. They won't experiment with a subset, or risk taking a few valuable years out of even one child's life.

You can argue that where education is now requires experiment to figure out how to do it better. The trouble with that kind of thinking, however, is that it would exclude the conscientious from the system. I think the system needs the conscientious. I also think it needs some experiment. Perhaps a method of experiment which exercised enough self-restraint that it never tried to go too far over any one period would fit the bill? There is a danger in this approach as well. It could be that what is required to arrive at the kind of change needed must have a sort of critical mass in order to work. You can see that this may, in fact, be true from viewing the importance of peer groups in children's lives. This alone isn't a stopper, but it does mean that changes have to occur across more than a narrow range of students at any one time. It also means they can't come completely out of context, such that speculation over them leads to misunderstanding and abuse which run counter to the goals of any initiative.

[Cog]

Here is a multiplication table. Memorize this or get smacked. This method of education has worked for hundreds of years. Perhaps even thousands.

Your child is not a special snowflake. Your child is a retard, is average, or a genius. I will educate them according to what they are able to absorb. Don't complain to me about your kid not getting into MIT. The world needs ditch-diggers too.