[onlooker]

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I think this is useful for all of us to keep in mind as we debate each other

[MD]

Yes!

In my younger days I studied and practiced debate with a passion. It's a lost art, especially in social media which is rampant with fallacy.

I've mostly given up trying.

[Cog]

Proposition: The current price of oil reflects an overabundance in supply.

ETP Argument: "You stupid cornie. You are the same fools who believe the oil supply is infinite. Its all going to come crashing down and we are doomed".

[onlooker]

MD, yes people tend to use one or more of these fallacies when their argument is not inherently sound or when they are losing a debate.

Cog, I believe the example you illustrated would comprise both strawman and ad hominem, oh and we are doomed haha.

Squil, is similar to correlation is not causation
Ex. All insects are ugly therefore everything that is ugly are insects

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'M')D, yes people tend to use one or more of these fallacies when their argument is not inherently sound or when they are losing a debate.

Cog, I believe the example you illustrated would comprise both strawman and ad hominem, oh and we are doomed haha.

Squil, is similar to correlation is not causation
Ex. All insects are ugly therefore everything that is ugly are insects

[onlooker]

I think though, T, you would have to admit that the skyrocketing Oil price not only accelerated the popping but made its aftermath worse. Did I just commit a fallacy hehe

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') think though, T, you would have to admit that the skyrocketing Oil price not only accelerated the popping but made its aftermath worse. Did I just commit a fallacy hehe

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') think though, T, you would have to admit that the skyrocketing Oil price not only accelerated the popping but made its aftermath worse. Did I just commit a fallacy hehe

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') think though, T, you would have to admit that the skyrocketing Oil price not only accelerated the popping but made its aftermath worse. Did I just commit a fallacy hehe

[onlooker]

because the strategy of bailing out the big financial institutions did nothing to restore consumer buying power or confidence.--- under that logic, wouldn't oil price perturbations also dampen investment enthusiasm and consumer confidence?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'b')ecause the strategy of bailing out the big financial institutions did nothing to restore consumer buying power or confidence.--- under that logic, wouldn't oil price perturbations also dampen investment enthusiasm and consumer confidence?

[onlooker]

Great informative post Tanada. Thanks

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '@')Tanada: I guess the issue is that the politicians aren't working for the general population. They work for the people that give them money and the people that form the major swing voter blocks. People going out and mindlessly voting for the same party for 40 years are next to irrelevant, and the people that don't vote are actually irrelevant. Probably if you look at the issues the 'swing voters' and major donors want to support you could find a very strong correlation with what the politicians actually do. It would have probably been a very smart move to give everyone a payment on their mortgage instead, but it would have negatively affected the wealthiest/oldest proportion of the population -- I.E. those that would actually vote and act to vote them out of office.
P.S. I'm sorry you lost your house.

[MD]

Ten years ago I proposed a formal debate forum, which never gained traction. That was before the social media explosion, and before I lost hope that rational discourse was possible on the interwebs.

I would still support such an initiative today, if there were enough members interested in such an endeavor.

It would work something like this:

A formal debate forum is created. A topic suggestion thread, or "challenge thread" would be created. Once a challenge is met by another member, a thread would be created for the formal debate. A moderator would be assigned to the thread, in which only the participants and the moderator would be allowed to post.

A comment thread would be created with the same title, where the "audience" can cast their votes via a poll, shout insults, make their own counter arguments, point out fallacies, etc.

Each formal debate would last perhaps a week, or maybe ten days.

It would be easy to set up. All it would take is enough interest from our members.

By the way: I would make it fully open to the public. That might make the formal threads harder to manage. I will review the phpbb tools we have available to see if there is a way to manage that effectively. That is assuming there is interest in the exercise overall.

[DesuMaiden]

You can find good books on Amazon and other bookstores (or in the library for that matter, but regardless of where you can find them, they exist) on how to persuasively convey your ideas to other people, so that they are more likely to listen and believe in what you are telling them. Here's an example:

https://www.amazon.ca/Thank-You-Arguing ... 0307341445