[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', 'I')t's a completely different metric once you get to the point whereby the cars last for a very long time, and the main replacement part is the battery.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '
')
What I mean is the wider metropolitan area. Essentially the places where most people live, and most people have cars. It's a completely different metric once you get to the point whereby the cars last for a very long time, and the main replacement part is the battery. In this instance it doesn't matter if it costs another $15,000 for the thing to drive itself because you make it up by driving it a lot. We don't need to replace every single ICE vehicle with electric cars. Even a couple of % penetration would significantly reduce the total vehicle miles traveled due to the economics.

[MD]

squirrel!

[Revi]

We are at the beginning of the 21st century. One hundred years ago we were just in the beginning of the automobile age. Most people got around on trains and walked. I have lived in places where people walked around and got around on busses and it worked. In one hundred years what do you think the chances are that we will be driving around in individual rolling steel boxes powered by petroleum? As for the peak oil website, I can't see it being around in 100 years either. For now, I guess I'll keep posting my observations here.

[onlooker]

I voted Economic collapse takes down server/Internet. PO,will be gradual until its not

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')e are at the beginning of the 21st century. One hundred years ago we were just in the beginning of the automobile age. Most people got around on trains and walked. I have lived in places where people walked around and got around on busses and it worked. In one hundred years what do you think the chances are that we will be driving around in individual rolling steel boxes powered by petroleum? As for the peak oil website, I can't see it being around in 100 years either. For now, I guess I'll keep posting my observations here.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '
')Why not? The private car is probably the biggest waste of space/drain on resources there possibly is. By the time you add up all of the direct and indirect costs it really is staggering. Run the numbers, putting a car in a garage means you're often paying more for storage than the actual car if you add up the cost of land and the building it is in. Then you have to consider the parking spaces (2 per car in America), and the economic equation really drops through the floor. That's before even considering the cost of the actual car, service or fueling it.

It makes a hell of a lot of economic sense to run $50-100,000 eclectic cars as a service rather than something you own because the costs of owning a car go far beyond the purchase price or even direct costs. I would say the private car is probably the best example of collective lunacy in modern society. We don't even need that many eclectic cars to replace ICE cars because most ICE cars are idling most of the time, and the ones that aren't are often the best candidates to replace with eclectic.

[SeaGypsy]

What is an eclectic car? Does it play to an eclectic rhythm?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Perhaps you are imagining a science fiction future where no one owns a car at all, and we all summon robots driving EV cabs on our iPhone aps when we want to go somewhere?

Did you request a robot-EV-cab?

[Cog]

The hard left has a lot of respect for the way North Korea controls their population. In their mind, its the model for how the USA and every Western nation should be run.

[asg70]

I predict the endpoint of the site will be the moderator locks all forums and has it sit here as an archive similar to The Oil Drum.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '@')Plant: People think that it was the ICE and cars that created the landscape of the West, and particularly America. However a significant part of that was zoning. When you're essentially required by law to provide parking near businesses you get things like the strip mall because that is the optimal format with respect to zoning. When you are forced by law to provide parking at every house you build not only does it mean you have to spend more money on roads and other infrastructure, but it also means you have to space houses further apart to give enough room for the garages and make sections larger. Medium density development that works extremely well for public transport and/or cycling and walking is essentially illegal to build anymore. Yet older suburbs designed for before the car was popular are now extremely valuable and desired spaces.

I'm not advocating an increase in control and regulation, but instead a reduction. Let people build and live in the places that they want to live in and let businesses decide how much parking they want to provide if at all. It makes even less sense to keep living under the same paradigm when there is every indication that the old way of life is going away one way or another. Eclectic cars are one aspect of this kind of change, but there is also an increasing movement away from wanting the same old cookie cutter suburbs put everywhere. Cut the regulations and let people knock down the old stuff to put in buildings that reflect the value of the land they are sitting on.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', 'A')nd there was so much 'free' manure that Paris practically fed itself within its city limits.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Squilliam', '
')
What I mean is the wider metropolitan area. Essentially the places where most people live, and most people have cars. It's a completely different metric once you get to the point whereby the cars last for a very long time, and the main replacement part is the battery. In this instance it doesn't matter if it costs another $15,000 for the thing to drive itself because you make it up by driving it a lot. We don't need to replace every single ICE vehicle with electric cars. Even a couple of % penetration would significantly reduce the total vehicle miles traveled due to the economics.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'I') predict the endpoint of the site will be the moderator locks all forums and has it sit here as an archive similar to The Oil Drum.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') voted Economic collapse takes down server/Internet. PO,will be gradual until its not

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', ' ')In one hundred years what do you think the chances are that we will be driving around in individual rolling steel boxes powered by petroleum?