[Rod_Cloutier]

I gave up taking Ayahuasca after my overdose on it. Despite the claims that I originally heard that it was non addictive, I found this to be untrue. It was highly addictive. I would think about the effects non-stop, I would crave and hunger for it. But after throwing it in the garbage, there is no local source of the drug, making it easier to give it up.

Cold turkey didn't work for long. I eventually felt that if I couldn't have Ayahuasca then I would have to use less toxic substitutes in its place. So then I tried LSA. LSA is chemically similar to the synthetic LSD, but LSA occurs naturally in some plants, in morning glory seeds.

The floral suppliers of morning glory seeds are well aware of the psychedelic properties of the seeds, so they coat the seeds in sodium cyanide to inhibit people from consuming them as a drug. So there are two possibilities, grow them from the seeds and wait for the harvest, or buy uncoated seeds online.

The first time I took morning glory seeds, I found the effect was very similar to a mild dose of Ayahuasca, however I was stoned for 9 days. Not being able to come down from the drug high was disturbing and problematic. I couldn't drive, I was going into work stoned which is a big no-no risking being caught and fired. I was relieved when the experience of LSA finally ended.

So I looked at other substitutes; nutmeg can be purchased in any local grocery store. Eating two heaping teaspoons of nutmeg gives a very mild psychedelic effect, but it is more similar to drinking a full bottle of rum; and it also comes with a 2 day hangover. So this one was out too. I heard about the narcotic properties of poppy seeds, and like nutmeg, poppy seeds can be bought in any grocery store. Poppy seeds are literally opium plant seeds, and although they are washed to remove most of the opium latex, the seeds still contain a percentage of opium latex on them.

Two tablespoons of poppy seeds, mixed into a normal ordinary cup of tea will give an 18-36 hour opium high, which was completely unlike the psychedelics that I had previously tried, and being a narcotic they are also addictive. People have died from poppy seed consumption. So this was out too.

There are a whole range of other drugs out there, and I'm hoping that I don't have to try them all until I find the 'Goldilocks' drug; which is neither too toxic, nor too addictive.

Suggestions?

[vox_mundi]

Test trial suggests hallucinogenic concoction ayahuasca provides relief from depression

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') team of researchers from several institutions in Spain and Brazil has conducted test trials of a South American concoction known as ayahuasca to learn more about its impact on people suffering from depression. In their paper uploaded to bioRxiv the team describes the trials they conducted and what they found.

Two years ago, the same team conducted some initial tests to find out if ayahuasca reduced symptoms of depression—they reported back then that the results were promising. Seeking to expand on their work, the researchers undertook another test trial, this time enlisting the assistance of 39 volunteers, 14 of whom actually consumed the concoction, while the other 15 were given a placebo.

Each of the volunteers suffered from chronic depression, and each was asked to fill out a questionnaire regarding their mood the day before being given a single dose of ayahuasca (or an equally nasty-tasting concoction created as a placebo). On the day of dosing, each was given a small amount of ayahuasca or the placebo, and were kept in a safe room for four hours, which was how long it takes for the effects to subside. Each of the volunteers were then asked to again fill out the same questionnaire a day later, then two days later, and then a week after the trial.

The researchers report that both groups reported relief from symptoms one and two days after the trial, which is common for depression drug trials. But after a week, 64 percent of those given ayahuasca reported a reduction in symptoms of approximately 50 percent, compared to just 27 percent for those given a placebo.

Rapid antidepressant effects of the psychedelic ayahuasca in treatment-resistant depression: a randomised placebo-controlled trial

[Ibon]

I knew there was a reason I am less depressed and smarter than so many dumb asses.

[ROCKMAN]

Kyle Nolan spent the summer of 2011 talking up a documentary called 'Stepping Into the Fire,' about the mind-expanding potential of ayahuasca. The film tells the story of a hard-driving derivatives trader and ex-Marine named Roberto Velez, who, in his words, turned his back on the "greed, power, and vice" of Wall Street after taking ayahuasca with a Peruvian shaman. The film is a slick promotion for the hallucinogenic tea that's widely embraced as a spirit cure, and for the Shimbre Shamanic Center, the ayahuasca lodge Velez built for his guru, a potbellied medicine man called Master Mancoluto. The film's message is that we Westerners have lost our way and that the ayahuasca brew (which is illegal in the United States because it contains the psychedelic compound DMT) can set us straight.

[Cog]

Drugs are bad ok.

[aldente]

no better suggestions than plenty of beer (not kidding - doctors of the old type would always opt for plenty of liquid.
http://big-beers.com/wp-content/uploads/Big-BeerDrinker002.jpg

[aldente]

Cog, you state;
"Drugs are bad - ok"

So - you are hereby a dogmatist of the most primitive sort.

Technically such a primitive statement would disqualify you from a forum such a this - but given the current state of the world we "all" stay in business - or, worded differently - we all stay on this forum - no matter what...


I hereby counter and state: "rugs" (must have swallowed the "d") are good - ok

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')errence Mckennar is my Shaman

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')retty arrogant statement.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aldente', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')errence Mckennar is my Shaman

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')ope smoking hippies everywhere.

[aldente]

[vox_mundi]

Traditional Amazonian Drug Linked to Improved Sense of Wellbeing

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')sing Global Drug Survey data from more than 96,000 people worldwide, researchers from the University of Exeter and University College London found that ayahuasca users reported lower problematic alcohol use than people who took LSD or magic mushrooms.

Ayahuasca users also reported higher general wellbeing over the previous 12 months than other respondents in the survey.

"These findings lend some support to the notion that ayahuasca could be an important and powerful tool in treating depression and alcohol use disorders," said lead author Dr Will Lawn, of University College London.

"Recent research has demonstrated ayahuasca's potential as a psychiatric medicine, and our current study provides further evidence that it may be a safe and promising treatment.



W. Lawn, et.al. Well-being, problematic alcohol consumption and acute subjective drug effects in past-year ayahuasca users: a large, international, self-selecting online survey Nature Scientific Reports 7, Article number: 15201 (2017)

[Rod_Cloutier]

I took Pstarr seriously at his word and gave them all up. I just meditate now, and I spend a fair period of my spare time in meditative trances. (It does work) I tried everything from Buddha to Zen, wading thru deluded person to scam artists one by one, to try and find a transcendental practice that actually works and I settled on this guy:

https://youtu.be/fPiobUFHmPo?t=4s

Lincoln Gerber, his teachings actually do work. In many ways meditation is far superior to the drugs. Non-addictive, safe, you can do it anytime, and the end spiritual event is much better. (After lots of practice, work, and dedication)

[SeaGypsy]

There's lots of stories about gurus one way or another ingesting extremely potent psychedelics & showing zero effect, it seems once certain clarity is obtained, drugs become redundant.

Certainly there are toxic qualities to drugs, however damaging, they all require detoxification which is not an instant process. Meditation seems to be the opposite, a detoxification process which requires mental adjustment to return to 'normal reality', a process which is very quick by comparison, minutes rather than days or weeks.

These days I'm abstaining from all drugs the vast majority of the time. I find they all mess with the finely tuned drug factory of my body, which balances things out overall to a preferable state of being.

Only person I would recommend DMT type drugs to is someone finding themselves utterly stuck in a situation they know is not being true to who they really are. Ayahuasca, mushrooms, acacia spice, are very powerful change agents. To be treated with the great respect they deserve.

[vox_mundi]

A DMT Trip 'Feels Like Dying' - and Scientists Now Agree

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A new scientific study suggests strong similarities between near death experiences (NDEs) and the psychedelic drug

... “My eyes were closed but there was so much going on that it was really hard to focus," Iona says afterwards. "The one image I remember was lots of books opening and rainbows shooting out of them."

“I felt this quiver. The only other time I’ve had it is when I was giving birth. [A feeling that] I’m not sure I want to do this – but a sense of no turning back, you’re here and you’ve got to go through this.

“I don’t remember my body being around after that.”

... Iona describes some of this "disorder" as feeling detached from her body and says she quickly found she was experiencing a strange, unfamiliar detachment from her sense of self too.

“My body just didn’t seem relevant anymore," says Iona. "And I felt like I arrived in some consciousness soup which seemed like a different realm to the one I ordinarily inhabit – even in dreams. It just seemed like everything was rotating and swirling and spiralling. It didn’t seem like there were normal space-time proportions going on.”

"It’s probably the most intense experience I’ve had,” says Iona. “[The sense that] birth and death were just a transformation rather than an end was something that felt true.”

[Rod_Cloutier]

Interesting timing to bump up this dead thread.

I took Iboga for the first time today. Hopefully I can take a deep look into myself to figure out what the Mandela effect is?

[SeaGypsy]

Hi Rod, how was your iboga experience? There's some fringe rehab folks here in Australia using purified ibogaine for addiction therapy, though the results are not published due to the illegality of the treatment.

[Rod_Cloutier]

I micro-dosed on Iboga only. A typical flood dose has to be administered in a hospital or clinic where you are carefully monitored, and where they have emergency meds available for low blood pressure, ect, and where a crash cart is available. (Very dangerous drug)

The Iboga didn't take effect for 48 hours. The peak experience was 2 days after taking it. It created a number of insights into my waking life and it was a very different experience than Ayahausca.

One of the insights I received was about watching porn. How weird of an activity that really is. Like if you were in a house with a couple having sex, you wouldn't be in the same room watching them do it the whole time- that would be weird. Porn is the same. People forget that whenever you have a video of people having sex, you have a 3rd person in the room filming it- really, really strange. I think Kunstler who posts here on peakoil.com has mentioned how weird it is that in modern culture any 9 year old with a computer can watch live sex all day. Porn is weird and it is not a functional part of a rational or sane society.

(I learned nothing about the Mandela effect, which is part of why I took it)