[onlooker]

To counter the argument that because gasoline is relatively cheap and people keep driving alot, all must be well with the Economy umm people are not driving so much anymore
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... er-2-years

[Cog]

A lot of people drive less because they tele-commute or have simply retired. There are a lot of us baby-boomers who have retired and drive very little anymore. You can look at a chart that shows the number of people NOT in the work-force and it answers a lot of your questions. This whole discussion about demand destruction is another attempt by ETP'ers to shape the facts to fit their flawed model.

Do you really think that because gas is cheap that we hop in the car and drive around in circles to use more? LOL

[KaiserJeep]

Then there are some of us that consciously reduced our FF consumption over the years. In 2002 to 2007 I commuted via light rail, conventional train, and a diesel shuttle bus. In 2008 I became a telecommuter. In 2011 I put solar panels on the roof. In 2015 I retired and in retirement my gasoline consumption has fallen to about 50 gallons per year. These are all conscious reductions to FF usage.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')o counter the argument that because gasoline is relatively and people keep driving alot, all must be well with the Economy people are not driving so much anymore
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... er-2-years

[onlooker]

Cog your comment does negate an economic slowdown explanation and Kaiser show us some definitive proof that people in mass are voluntarily adopting their lives to substantially reduce fossil fuel usage. I simply do not think that is possible considering how people are tied to the system and because of the energy mix breakdown of this country. ie still heavily dependent on FF

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')o you really think that because gas is cheap that we hop in the car and drive around in circles to use more? LOL

[Cog]

Just for you I'm going to drive to a store tomorrow to increase GDP. I'll show that FedEx driver a thing or two.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')o counter the argument that because gasoline is relatively cheap and people keep driving alot, all must be well with the Economy umm people are not driving so much anymore
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... er-2-years

[onlooker]

I only bought it up OS, because some bought it up on peak oil threads to support a rosy scenario. Obviously, the only factor to look at in examining the Economy. I just it is telling considering that we are so car dependent and because of our affinity for driving.
As for its relation to AGW, yes that is good. By itself this trend does not prove anything but it bears watching

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')o counter the argument that because gasoline is relatively cheap and people keep driving alot, all must be well with the Economy umm people are not driving so much anymore
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... er-2-years

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')You should be happy people are using less gas.

[onlooker]

Yes Adam everybody will become so efficient and frugal they will not need any products or services derived from oil. Then you can all sing kumbaya by the fire and roast beetles and keep saying, I told you so.

[dinopello]

We have been greening our work force - hiring younger/cheaper engineers. At least half of these 20 somethings don't even own cars. They think driving is stupid and especially the cost of owning. They would rather spend it at whole foods.

[KaiserJeep]

It does appear that my wife would like another high-end luxury SUV to replace her 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. I cannot complain, she has owned it since new and put 178,500 miles on it. I have decided to indulge her and allow her to get whatever she wants, including another Jeep. I have asked her to get one - or order one - with a flex fuel engine, probably the base V6. Purchase or order to be placed this year. My assumption is that it will be the last car we order new, or at least second to last. I'm hanging on to my 2003 Wrangler with 56,000 miles. When I replace it - rather if I replace it, I'll get an EV.

When we replace our house, we will get an all-electric, super-insulated home. In everything all of us do for the rest of our lives, we should consider that we will be living in an energy-constrained future, probably sooner than we want or anticipate. So spend the extra bucks to be energy-efficient.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'Y')es Adam everybody will become so efficient and frugal they will not need any products or services derived from oil.

[GoghGoner]

Demand fell hard in January by EIA numbers but has been increasing through February. Those numbers are just an estimate and subject to huge revisions. I think exports to Mexico could have fallen in January and not gasoline demand. It used to be Mastercard would put out weekly gasoline demand numbers but all we have now is the EIA.

VMT is at a record high as of the last number put out and fleet fuel efficiency has been falling due to low gasoline prices. Zero hedge is a bunch of con jobs trying to sell their garbage positions.

[onlooker]

Adam you have absolutely no insight into the the state of the oil plays we are now forced to resign ourselves to.Contrast the Fracking or hydraulic fracturing to get oil and gas http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fracking.asp) to the gushing oil geysers that just flowed prodigiously outward. Look how deep we now mine to get the oil, or where we go -far off and inaccessible places like the deep oceans and polar regions. All this translates to much more energy to extract the oil leaving less net energy for the rest of the Economy. This is plainly clear and factually indisputable