$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'S')how us one of these engines that burns WTI just as it comes out of the ground if you would please. The Saudis burn some of their crude directly to turn steam turbines but they are the only ones using raw crude that way..
The total energy cost is measured in BTUs and Governments ,military and coffee are measured in dollars which are subject to inflation. Your mixing apples with oranges yet again. The labor cost of installing a length of well casing steel pipe varies greatly depending on where the well is. The energy cost of making the steel in that pipe is constant and has to be divided by all the barrels of oil that flow through that pipe.
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by Tanada » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 16:44:12
To be fair back when WTI was what came out of the ground in West Texas as the name implies many pump jacks were powered by hot bulb engines burning a small fraction of the crude exactly as it was when it came out of the ground. Hot Bulb engines are extremely reliable, once they are running at idle speed they will keep on chugging for months or even years so long as the fuel is kept flowing and the lubrication system gets topped off every few days to keep everything lubricated. That is why these engines are still loved in some low tech countries, even though they are roughly half as efficient as a Diesel engine because their compression ratio is very low.
It takes roughly 5-10 minutes of heat8ing to get the bulb hot enough, but once running the heat of the combustion keeps it hot and these engines just putter along forever. https://youtu.be/Y-RVZdz-TBA?t=5m57s
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by Yoshua » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 17:27:32
"China coal consumption declines for third straight year
China is increasing the use of solar and wind energy production while coal consumption has fallen again. It 'reinforces China's growing status as a global climate leader' according to Greenpeace."
What a joke! China produces half of the global coal production. Chinas coal production peaked in 2013 and is today forced to import coal to keep the wheels rolling.
China is increasing the use of solar and wind energy production while coal consumption has fallen again. It 'reinforces China's growing status as a global climate leader' according to Greenpeace."
What a joke! China produces half of the global coal production. Chinas coal production peaked in 2013 and is today forced to import coal to keep the wheels rolling.
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by onlooker » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 17:40:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yoshua', '&')quot;China coal consumption declines for third straight year
China is increasing the use of solar and wind energy production while coal consumption has fallen again. It 'reinforces China's growing status as a global climate leader' according to Greenpeace."
What a joke! China produces half of the global coal production. Chinas coal production peaked in 2013 and is today forced to import coal to keep the wheels rolling.
China is increasing the use of solar and wind energy production while coal consumption has fallen again. It 'reinforces China's growing status as a global climate leader' according to Greenpeace."
What a joke! China produces half of the global coal production. Chinas coal production peaked in 2013 and is today forced to import coal to keep the wheels rolling.
It's worse than that Y. China Says It's Going to Use More Coal, With Capacity Set to Grow 19%
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by shortonoil » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 18:08:25
We have received a number of phone calls as to why this apparent debunking of the Etp Model is taking place. It appears that this is all part of a very complex con job to defraud the Irish Ministry of Transportation out of $6 million. Those monies were to be earmarked for a devise that does not exist, and never did. The Etp Model was being used as part of the justification for the Ministry to finance construction of the imaginary devise. The perpetrators then attempted to rescind their request for the illicit monies as the scheme came to light by claiming that the Model had been shown to be invalid. The online debunkers where hired to add credibility to that claim.
We severed all ties with the parties involved months ago as it became apparent that their overtures to the Hills Group where fabrications. If anyone has additional information please contact us.
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/
We severed all ties with the parties involved months ago as it became apparent that their overtures to the Hills Group where fabrications. If anyone has additional information please contact us.
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by Subjectivist » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 20:13:23
Yup, for sure, it has nothing to do with the imaginary numbers used in the model, renowned Peak Oil advocates like Ugo Bardi have been recruited by some dasterdly fraudsters to shift the blame to the poor innocent Hills group.
That story and five bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
That story and five bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
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Re: On The Thermodynamic Model of Oil Extraction by Hill’s G
by vtsnowedin » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 20:51:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'S')how us one of these engines that burns WTI just as it comes out of the ground if you would please. The Saudis burn some of their crude directly to turn steam turbines but they are the only ones using raw crude that way..
The total energy cost is measured in BTUs and Governments ,military and coffee are measured in dollars which are subject to inflation. Your mixing apples with oranges yet again. The labor cost of installing a length of well casing steel pipe varies greatly depending on where the well is. The energy cost of making the steel in that pipe is constant and has to be divided by all the barrels of oil that flow through that pipe.
The total energy cost is measured in BTUs and Governments ,military and coffee are measured in dollars which are subject to inflation. Your mixing apples with oranges yet again. The labor cost of installing a length of well casing steel pipe varies greatly depending on where the well is. The energy cost of making the steel in that pipe is constant and has to be divided by all the barrels of oil that flow through that pipe.
To be fair back when WTI was what came out of the ground in West Texas as the name implies many pump jacks were powered by hot bulb engines burning a small fraction of the crude exactly as it was when it came out of the ground. Hot Bulb engines are extremely reliable, once they are running at idle speed they will keep on chugging for months or even years so long as the fuel is kept flowing and the lubrication system gets topped off every few days to keep everything lubricated. That is why these engines are still loved in some low tech countries, even though they are roughly half as efficient as a Diesel engine because their compression ratio is very low.
It takes roughly 5-10 minutes of heat8ing to get the bulb hot enough, but once running the heat of the combustion keeps it hot and these engines just putter along forever. https://youtu.be/Y-RVZdz-TBA?t=5m57s
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