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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 15:25:59

Peter, do not need to go specifically to Adam website. Any economics site basically regurgitates what Adam is saying.
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 15:53:41

Or about this. Economics and Economists are basically pseudo scientists inventing theories and then acting as if those inventions ie. fantasies are ironclad laws.
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 21:54:55

Peak oil is a theory only if it can be proven that oil is not a limited resource.
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 22:28:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'G')ood find Adam. We've had wack jobs of every shape and form come and go here at PO.com. You won't be the last.


Monte was in this thread proclaiming terminal decline in the US pstarr. One of your heroes wasn't he?
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 22:34:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'S')hifty's poist fails in his title: global peak oil never was and never will be a "theory". It is and always will be a statistical reality. The details, including the relatively unimportant date of global PO, can be debated. But the long term negative effects of the combination of a declining finite reserve base and a growing global population demanding greater access to energy remains the heart of the dynamic at play.


Too bad they didn't declare it peak energy then. And why in the world do you mix oil and "access to energy", they aren't the same thing, and will never be as long as the sun is shining or we have remaining radioactive isotopes. Me, I prefer solar, but that is because the nuke stuff can leave a major mess when it screws up.
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 22:42:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'P')eter, do not need to go specifically to Adam website. Any economics site basically regurgitates what Adam is saying.


You can't help them from gloating about having been right now can you? The peakers did the same thing a decade ago, back when they thought they had a lock on it. Here is Ruppert crowing like a rooster about peak oil having ARRIVED!!

https://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ ... corp.shtml

And not only did Shifty understand why a decade ago, but there is a new post today talking about cracking the 100 million barrel a day number, the one that the Oil Drum said had peaked at 85 million a day. And so now you are saying the economists are the only ones who knew better than to get on the bandwagon? Gee...makes me wonder why no economists were asked their opinions back in 2005 about why peak oil was a crock...at least then.

Oh wait...someone did...but they made fun of him. Still do I believe, but then pstarr is..special...if you know what I mean.

Check out the 3rd graphic in the article.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5716

Near prophetic, considering the question about cracking the 100 million barrel barrier, don't you think? Chalk it up to an economists to make a projection that A) doesn't involve bell shaped curves and B) works.
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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 22:46:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'P')eak oil is a theory only if it can be proven that oil is not a limited resource.


LATOC leftovers have to explain this before they can be taken seriously, a decade past this claim by your fearless palm reading leader.

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Re: Problems with peak oil theory... (looong post)

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 22:49:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')And why in the world do you mix oil and "access to energy",

While dropping one of my daughters off at the airport today I stopped at the Hooksett NH rest area and fueled up the Wife's SUV. Ten gallons for $24,99. I had just accessed energy at a fair price and my daughter's flight back to Atlanta will include her accessing her share of the jet fuel. While not all energy is oil almost all oil is energy and oil is the majority of our energy mix. It may not be in the future but for now that is the reality.
Remove the oil from the worlds energy market and everyone will have to try to survive with a lot less energy at their disposal.
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