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Does History Repeat Itself?

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Unread postby MacG » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 05:41:54

Interesting post!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', ' ')If this history repeats we can expect the US government/corporate/military/industrial/congressional complext to sit on the post PO world like a great stone idol and bleed us all dry before it's inevitable collapse.


Yeps. I think you are completely right here. This is how the government-memeplex work.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'T')hen and only then will the traumatised survivors able to start a new kind of life.


There are quite some indications that quite a lot of people in the provinces learned how to avoid roman taxes, and that this was a contributing factor to the fall.

I read Machiavelli's "The Prince" a couple of years ago. Very interesting. It was written in the late 1400's, and the poor fellow belived that the Roman empire still existed! He wrote "The Prince" as a manual for someone to come and end all the infighting between the city states of the former empire.
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Unread postby Doly » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 05:47:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
')I read Machiavelli's "The Prince" a couple of years ago. Very interesting. It was written in the late 1400's, and the poor fellow belived that the Roman empire still existed!


Good point. Maybe people will still believe the USA still exists in 500 years time... in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
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Unread postby Macsporan » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 06:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are quite some indications that quite a lot of people in the provinces learned how to avoid roman taxes, and that this was a contributing factor to the fall.


Yes, in the West the super wealthy were able to avoid taxes and take under their protection those willing to become their serfs who willingly exchanged their "freedom" and "citizenship" that had become intolerably burdensome.

I expect something like this will happen PO.

Machiavelli is a scary guy. He preached essentially exemption from moral laws for politicians and set us on a slippery slope indeed.
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Unread postby MacG » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 07:49:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', ' ')Machiavelli is a scary guy. He preached essentially exemption from moral laws for politicians and set us on a slippery slope indeed.


Well, I read it more as a description based on observations of people who rose to power. And fell from power. The guy worked as some kind of diplomat so he had ample opportunities to study the fat cats. He did not distinguish between "good" and "bad", rather between efficient/nonefficient. The explanation for his writing comes on the very last page.

The conclusion is pretty simple to me: As soon as you introduce just a single element of "power over other humans" in a society, you will inevitabely get a Machiavellian development. The most ruthless, deceitful and calculating will rise to power. The only way to avoid it is to completely denounce "power over other humans".
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Unread postby highlander » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 23:38:35

I can't remember who said it, I think it was Clemens (Mark Twain)

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme
This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
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