[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')anda,
Interesting perspective. I wonder where I fit in? Dad was a bayman, then tried being a handyman, an on job injury put an end to that. No health insurance y know. Then he became the janitor at my high school. That's real cool for a teenager.

I did my service, got a maintenance job, got a degree (39), got a PE (50). Lived in cc Philadelphia married to a psychoanalyst. Neighborhood was so D they had to loan one to the Rs to represent them at my voting spot. True!

Maybe that's why I don't care to align with or support either side. Either I'm terminally confused or can see both sides of the coin too much.

I get the feeling others here have similar varied backgrounds which leads to this rich exchange.

[Newfie]

Two points (if I can remember that long)

1. A few years ago we were lauding working class white men as "The Greatest Generation." I never went for that hype, but how did that group become "The Deplorables."?

2. Oooopsie, too late! It will come back. Maybe.

[ROCKMAN]

Newfie - The developing stats are very interesting: it looks like fewer "white men" voted for Trump then voted for Romney or Mccain. But Trump got more votes from folks of "color" then Romney or Mccain. The numbers coming out seem to indicate that Trump wasn't elected so much by his supporters as Clinton lost because her presumed supporters didn't turn out to vote for her. In particular the black voter turnout, and to a lesser degree young voters, for Clinton was very much lower then for President Obama. Black lives matter but perhaps not as much as black/young votes matter. When you consider how small Trump's Martin was in many states the lack of D turnout may have been the deciding factor.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')wo points (if I can remember that long)

1. A few years ago we were lauding working class white men as "The Greatest Generation." I never went for that hype, but how did that group become "The Deplorables."?

[Plantagenet]

The Obama coalition that Hillary was trying to get doesn't include rural and working class white people.

The Ds see their voters as being blacks, hispanics and other people of color, gays, millennials, and well educated whites.

The Ds basically wrote off the white working class and it came back to bite them. It was like the "Reagan Democrats" all over again.

It didn't help that Hillary was part of the establishment and "earned" 250 million dollars giving 40 minute oh-so-secret speeches to the Wall Street billionaires, or that she screwed up on her emails and the DC establishment bent over backwards to give her a free pass. Working class people don't like it when upper class people break the rules and get away with it, while they would get thrown in jail in a second for doing the exact same thing.


The working class voted for Trump and the Rs this time

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Obama coalition that Hillary was trying to get doesn't include rural and working class white people.

The Ds see their voters as being blacks, hispanics and other people of color, gays, millennials, and well educated whites.

The Ds basically wrote off the white working class and it came back to bite them. It was like the "Reagan Democrats" all over again.

It didn't help that Hillary was part of the establishment and "earned" 250 million dollars giving 40 minute speeches to the Wall Street billionaires, or that she screwed up on her emails and the DC establishment bent over backwards to give her a free pass. Working class people don't like it when upper class people break the rules and get away with it, while they would get thrown in jail for the same thing.


The working class voted for Trump and the Rs this time

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')anda,
Interesting perspective. I wonder where I fit in? Dad was a bayman, then tried being a handyman, an on job injury put an end to that. No health insurance y know. Then he became the janitor at my high school. That's real cool for a teenager.

I did my service, got a maintenance job, got a degree (39), got a PE (50). Lived in cc Philadelphia married to a psychoanalyst. Neighborhood was so D they had to loan one to the Rs to represent them at my voting spot. True!

Maybe that's why I don't care to align with or support either side. Either I'm terminally confused or can see both sides of the coin too much.

I get the feeling others here have similar varied backgrounds which leads to this rich exchange.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ') If I had been able to get the candidate I wanted it would have been Dr. Ben Carson, a devout Seventh Day Adventist who came from very humble roots to become the top in his field. However that was not an option so I was left with the awful candidate, or the unknown.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ') If I had been able to get the candidate I wanted it would have been Dr. Ben Carson, a devout Seventh Day Adventist who came from very humble roots to become the top in his field. However that was not an option so I was left with the awful candidate, or the unknown.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ') If I had been able to get the candidate I wanted it would have been Dr. Ben Carson, a devout Seventh Day Adventist who came from very humble roots to become the top in his field. However that was not an option so I was left with the awful candidate, or the unknown.

[Cog]

Federal employees and budgets are being slashed in the various departments. Largest tax cuts since Reagan have been passed, stock market historic high, unemployment 17 year low. I'll take seven more years of Trump thank you. Don't care about his vanity or need for praise. I'll be happy to give him the credit as long as he keeps up the good work.

[GHung]

Thanks, Ibon. I was just curious as to how your evaluations have evolved.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')ederal employees and budgets are being slashed in the various departments. Largest tax cuts since Reagan have been passed, stock market historic high, unemployment 17 year low. I'll take seven more years of Trump thank you. Don't care about his vanity or need for praise. I'll be happy to give him the credit as long as he keeps up the good work.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'T')hanks, Ibon. I was just curious as to how your evaluations have evolved.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')ederal employees and budgets are being slashed in the various departments. Largest tax cuts since Reagan have been passed, stock market historic high, unemployment 17 year low. I'll take seven more years of Trump thank you. Don't care about his vanity or need for praise. I'll be happy to give him the credit as long as he keeps up the good work.

[Newfie]

Drawing unemployment and/or welfare

It’s generally not considered good to increase the unemployment rate.

That’s a bit of a double bind there.

[Cog]

Oh and Ibon Mexican isn't a race, its a nationality. But of course you knew that before you threw out your usual racism charge. But you call anyone who doesn't want open borders a racist so nothing new in that arena. But I digress.

You should know Newfie that federal pay and benefits have outstripped the private sector on average and did so some time ago. Unemployment is paid through an insurance program and not by me. When the laid off federal workers decide to go back to work, there are always some burger flipping openings if they get bored staring at walls.

Cutting the federal bureaucracy down to size is a very good thing. Return things to the state level where the politicians are more answerable to their constituents.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')h and Ibon Mexican isn't a race, its a nationality. But of course you knew that before you threw out your usual racism charge. But you call anyone who doesn't want open borders a racist so nothing new in that arena. But I digress.

[Cog]

You didn't look very hard. About three posts up.


I agree with this post. And also that the republlicans have not done any better either. And also that Trump stoked the racism to get votes as outlined in my last post. All of this is true. Failures all around and Trump stoking racism and scapegoating mexicans to get whites to vote will only ever be even remotely justified if he heals this division he has stoked as president.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou didn't look very hard.

[Cog]

Obviously you can't compete with me on remembering what you posted. But you have a Merry Christmas too.