[Newfie]

That's a real problem. I have kids and they are wage slaves. As was I. I pity them.

[ROCKMAN]

Newfie - But what's better: being a wage slave or a free man with no income? Of course having a rich grandpa wage slave leaving you a big inheritance would be preferable. LOL

[Newfie]

Rocman,

That's a good point. Our culture goons folks to become wage slaves. And perhaps rightfully slow. Re People Are Sheep thread.

Some do not fit that mold, and to some extent we idolize them.

So what's better depends upon the person. What we have is a mix of ideas that put people under stress, slave wage is almost inevitable, but we long to be the Marlboro Man.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'R')ocman,

That's a good point. Our culture goons folks to become wage slaves. And perhaps rightfully slow. Re People Are Sheep thread.

Some do not fit that mold, and to some extent we idolize them.

So what's better depends upon the person. What we have is a mix of ideas that put people under stress, slave wage is almost inevitable, but we long to be the Marlboro Man.

[ROCKMAN]

Sub - "Plumbers and carpenters and farmers are ultimately more crucial than minor bureacratic functionaries." As been said before: "First, kill all the lawyers". LOL.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'S')ub - "Plumbers and carpenters and farmers are ultimately more crucial than minor bureacratic functionaries." As been said before: "First, kill all the lawyers". LOL.

[Newfie]

There is an active prepper thread on Cruisers Forum. I thought you guys might find this exchange interesting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uote:
Originally Posted by
I see your points. after all, things are going so well in the EU, and south and central America. Anybody counting on any govt, to feed you or protect you, is insane.

Prepping is nothing more then following our forefathers way of life. We like it. Here, we don't have to go to a store for likely a minimum of 24 months. We do go cuz we like fresh veggies.

We also jabe Heirloom. Seed vaults like 20 of them, for crops seasonally. And herb vaults for indoor growing. We purchase gold and silver.often, buy low, sell high. And we believe that if you physically don't have your money in your possession, you don't own it. Keep a lot of booze and trading stuff.

My tribe would be very comfortable for many years, God forbid an unfortunate event should happen. I pray not.

Just a little different life philosophy. Seems very much like all you independent self reliant long distance sailors.

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Actually, things are going quite well in parts of Central and South America, Panama is booming for example, but I still would not assume any govt would cover my butt.

Our place in Guatemala is in a small (about 200 people) rural village, accessible by water only, which receives no govt services of any kind (no police, no fire, no nada). The Guatemalan and USA Govts could collapse and it would make no difference at all.

[Revi]

I lived in Guatemala, and I think these people are in the Golfete region, near Livingston. It's become very popular with cruisers in recent years. I lived in Guatemala in the 80's and the violence was everywhere. It may have been a little better in that region, but there was no safe place. If things go badly again they will be able to weigh anchor and head for another region. Belize is not far away, and the Yucatan is just up the coast.

[Cog]

What is unsafe about Maine?

[Revi]

Maine is not the haven people think it is. Are you following me around Cog?

[ROCKMAN]

Revi - But bottom line: when TSHTF locally do you know anyplace on the planet where the strong/armed won't take advantage of the weak/unarmed? Even being armed isn't enough if you don't have adequate numbers.

I know it's just silly scfi story but the "Walking Dead" TV series has just entered that phase. Initially the big problem was the zombies. Now it's the living: well armed and numerous bad guys (hundreds of them) that are the biggest threat. Their rule is very simple: grow your crops and live stock. And give us half or we kill you. But just some of you because we need the rest to keep us supplied.

And its not like we haven't seen real examples. For instance the oiooiol fields that ISIS took control over: did they have their own production hands take over? Or did they make an offer to the local workers that couldn't be turned down?

[Revi]

I really don't know what will happen. I gave up being tough enough to hold off the zombie hordes long ago.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')hat is unsafe about Maine?

[Pops]

I always favored rural but the conditions there nowadays are deplorable...

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') always favored rural but the conditions there nowadays are deplorable...

[Pops]

light hearted sarcasm my friend, lol
<<deplorables>>
too easy to give a straight faced delivery when no one can see your face...

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'l')ight hearted sarcasm my friend, lol
<<deplorables>>
too easy to give a straight faced delivery when no one can see your face...

[Newfie]

Jared Diaond makes the point that one symptom of a society approaching collapse is when the ruling elite become distant, disconnected, from the populace. Sound familiar?

In that light should we view Trump favorably in that he is reintroducing the elite to J6pack?

Too soon to tell how this will work out.

[KaiserJeep]

The people you speak of are not progressive, although they like to believe they are. I think of them as neo-progressives.

I at least, was not surprised that Trump won, I always believed that against Clinton, he held an even chance. The race was always tighter than anybody believed, and Trump said so constantly. The problem is that the media was blinded to this argument by their very own prejudices. This happened because there is a massive lack of political diversity in our present media, and they rather ineptly missed the real story as it was played out in front of their eyes.

Understand that over the last year, the media coverage of Trump was massively unfavorable. The media coverage of Clinton, less so. This should not have happened, but in the end, Trump overcame the disadvantage. The story today is the disconnect between the media and the general populace, how badly they misread the election, and how they missed the real political narrative.

It was not after all, old angry white men that voted Trump into office. He got his share of females, minorities, and young people.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'l')ight hearted sarcasm my friend, lol
<<deplorables>>
too easy to give a straight faced delivery when no one can see your face...