dis, in this case, you are making assumptions about posters here without justification or support. I don't see 'rabid support' from the left for Hillary. More like grudging giving in to the necessity to hold their noses to vote for a candidate they despise so as to avoid a candidate they are totally horrified and disgusted by. But maybe you have lots of proof of your claim here? And of course, some portion of the 'left' just won't vote, or will vote for The Green Party's Jill Stein or some other alternative.
Meanwhile, here's a post at Chris Hedges facebook group that might be worth a ponder here:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lease share with all Trump supporters that you know!!!
For ALL of you Trump supporters out there - let's face it. He's NOT going to win. You know your gut is telling you that Hillary Clinton already has this election sewn up, and your gut is right.
Truth be told, he was never a great candidate anyway. Forget about the frat boy humor, the fact that Wikileaks proves that he was Hillary's hand-picked opponent should be more than enough to convince you of that fact - if you don't believe me, read the memo yourself: file:///C:/Users/T12p/Downloads/150407%20Strategy%20on%20GOP%202016ers%20(6).pdf
So now, what to do? You can just throw your vote away by sticking with Trump, OR you can at the very least PERMANENTLY divide the Democratic Party by voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party. If the Green Party gets at least 5% of the vote, they will be eligible for federal funds and will draw many young people especially away from the Democratic Party. If they get 15% of the vote, then they will have earned a spot in all future presidential debates. If you believe as I do that Donald Trump doesn't really have a snowball's chance of winning this "election," then now is the time to vote strategically in order to cripple any chance that Hillary has for re-election in four years. Please think about it. and share if you agree.
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Re: Donald Trump Pt. 8
by dohboi » Sun 23 Oct 2016, 18:19:09
"the far left would just put Putin in charge"
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Now you're back to being just completely daft.
Not worth responding to anything else you have to say if you are that clueless.
(It's also not clear what you mean by 'far left' here. There really isn't a 'far left' in the US to mention by any international comparison with other developed democracies. Most of Sanders' positions would be considered centrist and even acceptable to most of the right wing in most other advanced countries--health care being the most obvious example.)
????
Now you're back to being just completely daft.
Not worth responding to anything else you have to say if you are that clueless.
(It's also not clear what you mean by 'far left' here. There really isn't a 'far left' in the US to mention by any international comparison with other developed democracies. Most of Sanders' positions would be considered centrist and even acceptable to most of the right wing in most other advanced countries--health care being the most obvious example.)
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Re: Donald Trump Pt. 8
by Sixstrings » Sun 23 Oct 2016, 18:45:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '&')quot;the far left would just put Putin in charge"
????
Now you're back to being just completely daft.
Not worth responding to anything else you have to say if you are that clueless.
????
Now you're back to being just completely daft.
Not worth responding to anything else you have to say if you are that clueless.
Here's a Rolling Stone article that raises concerns about Jill Stein:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The Case Against Jill Stein
Though it's frustrating for many progressives who long for a viable third party, there are serious questions about Stein's judgement
Stein touted in a press release that she sat at the same table as Putin during a dinner for RT, the Russian government-funded television network, in Moscow last December, two months after Russia started bombing Syria.
In that press release, Stein criticizes U.S. foreign policy in Syria and elsewhere, and acknowledges that in Russia "money runs short for critical needs because of the heavy burden of military spending," but stops short of remarking on Russia's Syrian bombing campaign, abysmal human-rights record or abhorrent treatment of the LGBT community. This, despite the Green Party's a staunch commitment to advocating for human rights around the world. ...
Stein, like her rival Donald Trump, has also refused to release a complete version of her tax returns
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-case-against-jill-stein-w436362
What I don't understand is why liberals on the far left, don't stick up for liberals in other countries?
And, like Trump, the far left repeats the same "RT" like views and angles on things.
I realize that of course, the far left and far right agree on so much, actually. Both are against the "establishment." And I can understand far right people liking Putin, that makes sense, but I really can't understand far left liking Putin.
My hunch: it's very tempting for a small anti establishment party, to accept help where it's offered, without really thinking it through.
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Re: Donald Trump Pt. 8
by dohboi » Sun 23 Oct 2016, 19:04:32
Well, Green parties in other countries, like Germany, are really pretty mainstream.
Stein is polling in the very low single digits here, so bringing her and her party up here pretty much reinforces my claim that there really is no effective left, even if you considered their very reasonable positions to be somehow extreme.
And laying aside predictable smears against and hatchet jobs at third party candidates, with these cases, unlike the main candidates, it really really isn't about the candidates and their personalities. It's whether enough people agree with the general positions of the party to want to support it so that the Green Party can get status as a legitimate party in various states and, ideally, nationally.
No one fools themselves into thinking Stein is actually going to win, so it's really not about her.
And it's very easy to support a Greens and not be a 'spoiler'--if you live in a 'safe' state for one side or the other, which is nearly all of them, really your vote is wasted if you DON'T vote for a third party candidate!
Stein is polling in the very low single digits here, so bringing her and her party up here pretty much reinforces my claim that there really is no effective left, even if you considered their very reasonable positions to be somehow extreme.
And laying aside predictable smears against and hatchet jobs at third party candidates, with these cases, unlike the main candidates, it really really isn't about the candidates and their personalities. It's whether enough people agree with the general positions of the party to want to support it so that the Green Party can get status as a legitimate party in various states and, ideally, nationally.
No one fools themselves into thinking Stein is actually going to win, so it's really not about her.
And it's very easy to support a Greens and not be a 'spoiler'--if you live in a 'safe' state for one side or the other, which is nearly all of them, really your vote is wasted if you DON'T vote for a third party candidate!
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Re: Donald Trump Pt. 8
by Plantagenet » Fri 28 Oct 2016, 13:31:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'W')ell, Green parties in other countries, like Germany, are really pretty mainstream.
Stein is polling in the very low single digits here, so bringing her and her party up here pretty much reinforces my claim that there really is no effective left, even if you considered their very reasonable positions to be somehow extreme.
And laying aside predictable smears against and hatchet jobs at third party candidates, with these cases, unlike the main candidates, it really really isn't about the candidates and their personalities. It's whether enough people agree with the general positions of the party to want to support it so that the Green Party can get status as a legitimate party in various states and, ideally, nationally.
No one fools themselves into thinking Stein is actually going to win, so it's really not about her.
And it's very easy to support a Greens and not be a 'spoiler'--if you live in a 'safe' state for one side or the other, which is nearly all of them, really your vote is wasted if you DON'T vote for a third party candidate!
Stein is polling in the very low single digits here, so bringing her and her party up here pretty much reinforces my claim that there really is no effective left, even if you considered their very reasonable positions to be somehow extreme.
And laying aside predictable smears against and hatchet jobs at third party candidates, with these cases, unlike the main candidates, it really really isn't about the candidates and their personalities. It's whether enough people agree with the general positions of the party to want to support it so that the Green Party can get status as a legitimate party in various states and, ideally, nationally.
No one fools themselves into thinking Stein is actually going to win, so it's really not about her.
And it's very easy to support a Greens and not be a 'spoiler'--if you live in a 'safe' state for one side or the other, which is nearly all of them, really your vote is wasted if you DON'T vote for a third party candidate!
There are real positive reasons to vote for Stein.
1. At this point Stein is the only candidate who is denouncing BOTH Trump's idiocy and Hillary's venality and dishonesty.
2. Stein opposes Obama's illegal foreign wars, which both Trump and Hillary will expand and escalate.
3. Stein opposes Obamacare and supports single-payer.
4. Stein would actually act on the global warming problem, rather than denying it like Trump or putting forward fraudulent sham deals that do nothing to stop global warming such the Paris Accords supported by Obama and Hillary.
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5. In many states parties need to attract a certain number of votes to stay on the ballot. The more people who vote for Stein and the Green Party in the 2016 election the better position they will be in for the 2020 election.
CHEERS!
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