[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '&')quot;A lot of younger people are renting homes together to cut costs, or two young families could buy a house together. "

This is actually illegal in my city. We're working to change that.

[onlooker]

I know where I come from NY city, all types of exotic living arrangements are prevalent. Mostly, they involve stuffing as many people as possible into small quarters. Obviously, illegal but nevertheless very prevalent. Basically about supply/demand and the profit motive

[Newfie]

Interesting thread.

I doubt that the system is in any danger of it being collapsed by any number of us. Even if this movement were very successful there are billions of folks in other countries just waiting to fill our consumer shoes.

That said..... I wholly endorse the idea of simple living for ones personal health and happiness. I think Carinke's items listed above are as good a start as any.

But you have to realize just how rigged the system is to keep us in. 401k, Social Security, Medicare, health insurance attached to employment. In the USA achieving freedom means foregoing security. Not arguing against it, just trying to lay out the barriers. Sure some do it, but they have a certain personal tolerance for risk beyond what most of us can stomach.

Yet there are ways to do it by steps, achieving a little here and there so that we are individually more resilient, flexible, and free.

[Newfie]

Onlooker,
Just being crammed into a small space in itself is nothing unless you gain something from it. Are they saving money? Does it allow them to escape wage slavery? Are they prepared to live like that at 65?

Nothing wrong with it, but it needs to fit into a larger plan or its just making yourself a chicken in a coop.

[dohboi]

WR, I don't remember all the exact details, but there are severe limits on how many unrelated people can live in the same domicile. Probably if all the people are related, even through marriage, it would be alright, but I haven't looked at all the small print, recently.

My city is Minneapolis, MN, by the way. I'm sure anyone who want to can dig around and find this ordinance on the city's website, if they want to.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')nlooker,
Just being crammed into a small space in itself is nothing unless you gain something from it. Are they saving money? Does it allow them to escape wage slavery? Are they prepared to live like that at 65?

Nothing wrong with it, but it needs to fit into a larger plan or its just making yourself a chicken in a coop.

[Cog]

Doomers=Death cult. Lets crash the global economy and kill billions but lets not say that directly. You want to help out on over-population and a negative impact on the environment, stop eating.

[dohboi]

Ah, what a breath of fresh air!! Cog is back, and one of the first things he does is violate the Code of Conduct. What a joy!

the-peakoil-com-code-of-conduct-t40311.html

3.1.9

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')oomers=Death cult. Lets crash the global economy and kill billions but lets not say that directly. You want to help out on over-population and a negative impact on the environment, stop eating.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')oomers=Death cult. Lets crash the global economy and kill billions but lets not say that directly. You want to help out on over-population and a negative impact on the environment, stop eating.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'O')_S said;

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I respectfully don't think this kind of behavior will realistically crash the system, though. I think the system is far more flexible and durable and adaptable than the "fast crash" crowd gives it credit for. I also don't think a 5% downturn would do it, and if you got 10% of folks to cooperate and lower consumption/spending by half over time, that's what you'd get -- IF you could stop the global population from growing (and good luck with that)."

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')oomers=Death cult. Lets crash the global economy and kill billions but lets not say that directly. You want to help out on over-population and a negative impact on the environment, stop eating.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'O')_S said;

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I respectfully don't think this kind of behavior will realistically crash the system, though. I think the system is far more flexible and durable and adaptable than the "fast crash" crowd gives it credit for. I also don't think a 5% downturn would do it, and if you got 10% of folks to cooperate and lower consumption/spending by half over time, that's what you'd get -- IF you could stop the global population from growing (and good luck with that)."

[GHung]

Cog said; "The title of the thread is Lets Crash the Global Economic System. What exactly do you think that would result in?"

Pretty much the same things. At least those who decide to reduce their support of consumerism will be ahead of this unavoidable transition. "Collapse now and avoid the rush", and all that.

Think of it like lancing a boil before it erupts into an incurable infection.

[Cog]

You think you will survive a crash of the global economic system because you are a prepper? LOL that is the funniest thing I've read on this board for eons.

I'm not dismissing prepping. I am one myself. But I don't fool myself into believing I'm going to survive a global crash.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou think you will survive a crash of the global economic system because you are a prepper? LOL that is the funniest thing I've read on this board for eons.

I'm not dismissing prepping. I am one myself. But I don't fool myself into believing I'm going to survive a global crash.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Predicting the behavior of hyper-complex systems is nearly impossible. Predicting trends, not so much.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')oomers=Death cult. Lets crash the global economy and kill billions but lets not say that directly. You want to help out on over-population and a negative impact on the environment, stop eating.

[Newfie]

Cog,
Your assessment is correct, crashing the system will kill billions of folks. NOT crashing the system will also kill billions, and I can't see any scenario where not crashing the system kills fewer.

Kinda like this election, two horrid choices.

That's why my post above is more about personal freedom and happiness in the here and now. If that leads to crashing the system, so be it. I do think it somewhat improves my chances for survival and perhaps my kids, if I can ever get them to listen.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou think you will survive a crash of the global economic system because you are a prepper? LOL that is the funniest thing I've read on this board for eons.

I'm not dismissing prepping. I am one myself. But I don't fool myself into believing I'm going to survive a global crash.