[ennui2]

BTW, what's really going on in regards to disease prevention:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne ... picks=true

But we should shrug this off because "rich people--evil"

[Plantagenet]

Zuckerberg and his wife Dr. Chan of Facebook fame aren't giving away 3 billion to fight disease. They are investing 3 billion in various medical businesses and start-ups in order to make giant profits down the road. They will own the private companies they are investing in and they will keep the profits the companies make.

Thats what billionaires do---they make giant profits through their investments.

I don't know why the MSM is spinning this as some kind of grand and wonderful philanthropic endeavor---all Zuckerberg and Chan are doing is investing their billions to make more billions for Zuckerberg and Chan.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')With the high mortality rates, it's only a matter of time.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '[')url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U29JW3hGIs]After Armageddon[/url]

In this documentary, the initiating cause is a highly viral, fast moving pandemic, but the progression, regardless of the trigger, is the same.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')NEWSFLASH! They're all threats on their own, and ultimately interconnected.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'B')TW, what's really going on in regards to disease prevention:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne ... picks=true

But we should shrug this off because "rich people--evil"

[ennui2]

We're getting to a point of understanding of genetics and the ability to synthesize things via CRISPR that how we fight disease is likely to fundamentally change.

http://gizmodo.com/everything-you-need- ... 1702114381

[KaiserJeep]

[ennui2]

Boy, KJ, you can't even get that one right.

http://news.forexlive.com/!/january-201 ... t-20160126

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/28/consumer ... board.html

[Outcast_Searcher]

It's one thing to point out that a nasty pandemic could potentially be a real big problem. It's a far different (and far less credible) thing to assert that the "collapse" will happen any time now, because pandemics happen.

But let's pretend that as long as the doomer crowd can keep trotting out the supposed reason that THIS week/month/year is certainly our last, that we should all be alarmed and expect THIS time to be it, regardless of all the wrong calls.

Or not. (Which gets my vote, as a moderate).

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I')t's one thing to point out that a nasty pandemic could potentially be a real big problem. It's a far different (and far less credible) thing to assert that the "collapse" will happen any time now, because pandemics happen.

But let's pretend that as long as the doomer crowd can keep trotting out the supposed reason that THIS week/month/year is certainly our last, that we should all be alarmed and expect THIS time to be it, regardless of all the wrong calls.

[onlooker]

Ennui your MO is aversion to hearing any doom scenario that is soon or fast. Cid making a point about germs does not negate his hothouse prediction. That is a false equivalency. I think facing your fears does not make them any less real. It is a part of being human to be afraid .

[Cid_Yama]

Mos(Ennui) has always been like that. He attacks the messenger if it starts to get too real.

The original documentary post was about fast crash and why you don't want to be in an urban environment when it happens. It just happened to have a pandemic as the trigger.

The post of news about the VERY REAL crisis of antibiotic resistance, especially carbapenem-resistance, was a direct response to KJ's nonsense about "we now have antibiotics so none of that can ever happen'.

My prediction all along has been that abrupt climate change (which we are now in), triggered by methane releases, especially from the ESAS, would lead to global crop failures, initiating famines (happening with increased frequency), pandemics from weakened immune systems (pstarr, they start among the poor and malnourished but spread to everyone), and water scarcity (already happening) by 2020.

Stated briefly, global crop failures by 2020 due to abrupt climate change. Which then sets off a cascade of death around the world from secondary and tertiary effects.

We appear to be right on track.

And Mos, I do have other interests. It doesn't mean I've lost focus. Save your strawman-making for someone else.

[onlooker]

As has been noted we are more vulnerable to Pandemics than ever before. Huge populations crammed together, exotic germs being unearthed which we unprepared for biologically, rapid transmission via air travel (negating Pstarr point about regional containment), weakened immune systems due to multiple reasons in poor and rich countries and substandard healthcare in many places

[KaiserJeep]

Cid, you created a quote and put it in quotation marks and attributed it to me. Those are not my words, those are yours, and I want you to know I lost a lot of respect for you when you did that, and I wanted to call the attention of the other members to what you did for the sake of your own opinions.

Nor did I ever say or believe that antibiotic resistance was not a serious issue. In another thread this week I related my experiences last year when I was hospitalized in a facility that then experienced an outbreak of antibiotic-resistant bacterial pneumonia, which I survived in my weakened state only because they DNA sequenced the bacteria in a matter of hours, and went immediately to large doses of IV-infused Tier 4 antibiotics. Fortunate I was to be in a modern medical facility that can sequence bacterial DNA, because the usual CDC turnaround time would have killed me.

Nor does the topic of antibiotic resistance have anything to do with antimicrobials or antivirals which work differently than do antibiotics, they are different classes of medicines. Likewise antimicrobial resistance and antibiotic resistance are different things.

I say this because your whole argument was rendered non sequitur when you called the broad-spectrum antimicrobial carbapenems antibiotics.

Look, the whole argument about new resistant strains of bacteria, viruses, and even fungi can be summarized in a few words. In spite of the evolution of these new strains, treatment regimens in modern 1st World countries are steadily improving survival rates of patients exposed to these diseases. Antibiotics remain potent medicines, in spite of being slightly less effective on the new strains. Quit the doomer nonsense, please.

Tanada, your argument was also non sequitur, I made it clear I was talking about African jungles without any effective medical facilities, and not African urban hospitals. But I do not agree that all hospitals are even approximately equal, either. There are online subscriber lists of hospitals, clinics, and individual physicians here in Silicon Valley, you can pick a facility or a doctor with the highest success rate at treating the condition you have, or the best survival rate for surgeries or transplants - a great thing in fact. UCSF, the Stanford Medical Center, and the Mayo Clinics in San Francisco and Palo Alto topped the list in a majority of medical categories this year, in a list where the bottom-rated facilities are near the average performance levels throughout the USA. I'm not aware that African hospitals are even evaluated with such criteria, but I am sure that the occupants of the jungles with little or no care facilities are lots more vulnerable. Pandemics happen in those jungles.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'T')anada, your argument was also non sequitur, I made it clear I was talking about African jungles without any effective medical facilities, and not African urban hospitals. But I do not agree that all hospitals are even approximately equal, either. There are online subscriber lists of hospitals, clinics, and individual physicians here in Silicon Valley, you can pick a facility or a doctor with the highest success rate at treating the condition you have, or the best survival rate for surgeries or transplants - a great thing in fact. UCSF, the Stanford Medical Center, and the Mayo Clinics in San Francisco and Palo Alto topped the list in a majority of medical categories this year, in a list where the bottom-rated facilities are near the average performance levels throughout the USA. I'm not aware that African hospitals are even evaluated with such criteria, but I am sure that the occupants of the jungles with little or no care facilities are lots more vulnerable. Pandemics happen in those jungles.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'E')pidemics are by nature self-limiting. Pandemic is impossible, even in the globalized economy. Epidemics are regional, they kill the host, the host population. Then the epidemic ends.

So a particular fox population breeds, overwhelms the food base (not enough mice for Gen X), individuals weaken, rabies move in, and voila . . . end of local fox population. In the future a distant fox population moves in, repopulates the place. Rinse and repeat. Endless forever, cycles of nature and all that. Problem for humans is our food base IS PETROLEUM. So we all die.