Add idiocracy to the mix.
Science-fiction usually focuses on only one aspect of technology, good or bad.
The reality is it's usually a double-edged sword.
The hive-mind aspect CAN be used for good purposes rather than everyone staring at Kim Kardashian's ass.
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The Web is Dead (to me)
Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by ennui2 » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 09:38:28
"If the oil price crosses above the Etp maximum oil price curve within the next month, I will leave the forum." --SumYunGai (9/21/2016)
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by Ibon » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 10:52:52
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')The hive-mind aspect CAN be used for good purposes rather than everyone staring at Kim Kardashian's ass.
')The hive-mind aspect CAN be used for good purposes rather than everyone staring at Kim Kardashian's ass.
Let's separate a moment the technology from human behavior. Tanada and I were discussing on another thread how the vast majority of the planets citizens just want to be entertained, fed, follow a leader and be content with the status quo and not demand much more of life than comforts. This being the case, why would the grip that cyber technology has on us NOT have evolved the way it has. In other words, like oil, like suburbia, like the automobile, cyber technology is just another example of something that has exponentially expanded the power of the global middle class to bloom with mediocrity.
For every person that uses the internet to enhance their understanding, as in the example I gave with the website on taxonomy, there are 999 who want nothing more than staring at Kim Kardashian's ass ( I don't even know what she looks like or who she is, I heard references but never saw an image of her, that shows you how out of the mainstream I am! ).
So when you mention that it COULD be something different I think we have to go back to those 99% who hunger for so little that mediocrity IS what they want.
The insidiousness of cyber technology is that it enables the full flourishing of mediocrity instead of checking it.
Once again I feel the cynical conclusion arising that why fight it? Let the vast majority wallow in their mediocrity. Ennui, I am feeling superior again
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by Newfie » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 11:21:36
Here ya go I on, I Googled it for ya! With appropriate text to boot.
No excuses now bud. 1% or 99%?
Tell me that with a straight face it doesn't stir your inner ape a weeeee bit.
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by Ibon » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 11:26:14
Thank You Newfie, now I feel more like I am part of the team.....the mainstream.... Looking at those butt cheeks I feel less lonely.... less isolated.
Are those butt cheeks photo shopped ? Come on guys, let's spend the rest of the day delving deeply into this question, far more entertaining than peak oil!
Are those butt cheeks photo shopped ? Come on guys, let's spend the rest of the day delving deeply into this question, far more entertaining than peak oil!
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by Ibon » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 11:30:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')Tell me that with a straight face it doesn't stir your inner ape a weeeee bit.
')Tell me that with a straight face it doesn't stir your inner ape a weeeee bit.
Yes. How about your inner ape Ennui, is it stirring you up ?
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by onlooker » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 11:40:30
Well there you have it, we finally end up once again to what Kaiser refers to as our natural state, Apes with an opposable thumb and language. It is true, it is the lowest common denominator the primitive impulses. So the Web feeds it. I ask you if by chance we can negotiate the coming Collapse and not go extinct can we somehow mature beyond these primitive traits? To a more wise, kind, caring species. Kaiser says we may in time becoming a cybernetic organism collectively. Or can we be shocked into changing? For surely what is coming is going to shock every single person alive at the time.
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by AgentR11 » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 12:18:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')he Borg is really quite old, very precient. It was only yeas later I really got the relevance.
The Borg, we can see as iterative from our position even now. As lightweight civilians, we can have our audio and visual sensors overwritten by silicon produced waveforms, machines can read our eye movements, vaguely understands our speech, and recognize our faces (my current laptop just looks at me and ID's me as me.) With a bit more direct device attachment, it can monitor our skin temp, o2sat, breathing rate, heart rate; give it baseline information about metabolism and health and it can compute results to far greater accuracy that we can measure inputs. Advances in reading the neural output of our brains could easily advance this to the point of effective telepathy from one person on friend list to another, anywhere within the gravity well of Earth... in our lifetimes no less.
So, if in our lifetimes, our vision, and hearing, and thoughts integrate via silicon and radio waves into a collective symphony of consciousness; the remaining steps of borgness are only matters of collective aesthetics and comfort. This may be MUCH closer than people realize, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised to be reclining at the old folks home in a couple decades, being comfortable and quiet, all the while contributing to or observing the song of the hive.
Seriously, resistance IS futile.
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Re: The Web is Dead (to me)
by vox_mundi » Sat 17 Sep 2016, 12:21:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.').. The entire message of empowerment that lured us into cyber interactions is looking more and more like slavery every day. This insidious web is eclipsing organic life for more and more of humanity. It is a web actually more arachnid in character than anything else.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.').. The web is becoming more and more of a filter, reinforcing mediocrity. Those who demand more depth and content are increasingly leaving it and getting filtered out.
... instead of staying within this core function of enhancing the physical and organic the internet has increasingly been creating an alternative reality that eclipses instead of enhances organic life. Social interactions are increasingly cyber, the organic social interactions are being eclipsed. Instead of enhancing organic existence it is eclipsing it with a shallow alternative.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.').. why would the grip that cyber technology has on us NOT have evolved the way it has. In other words, like oil, like suburbia, like the automobile, cyber technology is just another example of something that has exponentially expanded the power of the global middle class to bloom with mediocrity.
I couldn't agree with you more. I'd like to say it's an emergent property, but the (Invisible) hand of Man (Google) is behind it.
We have become just like sheep; if mediocrity meets a organisms needs, why strive for something more. Also, mediocre sheep are easier to manage.
This is why, for many, playing Farmville is their only substitute for real interaction with nature.
This article captures some of what your talking about ...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Technological nature and environmental generational amnesia
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A 2009 article by psychologists at the University of Washington provides a brief summary of some research exploring “technological nature,” defined as technologies that in some way simulate, modify, or mediate our experience with the natural world (e.g., nature webcams, videos, virtual environments, robotic animals). The specific question their review addresses is whether there is a difference between exposure to technological nature and exposure to actual (natural?) nature in terms of potential impact on our physical and psychological wellbeing.
The seven studies they mention suggest an affirmative answer. For example, one study found more rapid heart rate recovery following low-level stress when a person was in an office with a window that looked out on a natural landscape than when a person was in either an office equipped with an HD plasma screen displaying a real-time image of a similar landscape or an office with only a blank wall to stare at—no recovery differences between the plasma image and a blank wall.
Increasing evidence suggests that access to nature and green space provides children with a myriad cognitive, emotional, and physical benefits, such as increased ability to concentrate, improved academic performance, reduced stress and aggression levels, and reduced risk of obesity
... Also, and perhaps more noteworthy, they talk about something called environmental generational amnesia. It is unclear whether they coined the term, but the idea is pretty straightforward: because the quantity and quality of engagement with the (actual) natural world is decreasing with each subsequent generation, children growing up today will have reduced awareness and understanding of features of nature that their grandparents understood intimately.
Environmental generational amnesia is an insidious side effect of the progressive substitution of technological nature for actual experience with the natural world:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]“The concern is that, by adapting gradually to the loss of actual nature, humans will lower the baseline across generations for what counts as a full measure of the human experience and of human flourishing.”
