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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby SumYunGai » Tue 13 Sep 2016, 13:22:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I') could easily chart his posts. He posts more than anyone else. I actually have a fulltime job to tend to, unlike him.

This obviously IS your full time job!

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It took me about 5 minutes to make this simple graph to prove you are a liar. LOL.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 13 Sep 2016, 14:12:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I') could easily chart his posts. He posts more than anyone else. I actually have a fulltime job to tend to, unlike him.

This obviously IS your full time job!

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It took me about 5 minutes to make this simple graph to prove you are a liar. LOL.


OK, I was wrong, but you sure as hell SEEM like you post 24/7. I happen to think Adam's treatment of PStarr crosses the line into cyberstalking and generating these charts is equally creepy. This is why you got banned again and again. If you'd rather just take personal pot-shots at people, go someplace else.

There was a time when the moderation of this site decided to strictly enforce a no-ad-hom policy. I'd love to see that happen again. The post count would go down quite a bit but the quality of the disucssion would improve markedly.

The problems here revolve mostly around the free-for-all policy of the mods. You and PStarr's trolling are merely a symptom. Once things descend into the gutter, everyone follows suit (including me). (I wasn't going to have someone like PStarr provoke me with insults about me somehow posting from my mom's basement without giving him some of my own medicine, for instance.) Strict moderation would stop my animated gifs AND stop the petty identity-politics and culture-warrior attacks from you douches in one fell swoop.

And lastly, I could stop posting entirely and Kub and Adam would just keep rebutting your points in my stead. So singling me out is not going to further your cause any. You'll have to also spend just as much time harassing them and Rockdock and anyone else who tries to check your bullshit talking-points.

I'm not your problem. The invalidity of the ETP model is your problem.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby Observerbrb » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 14:42:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '
')There was a time when the moderation of this site decided to strictly enforce a no-ad-hom policy. I'd love to see that happen again.


Some people here actually like to discredit other sources, because they have been written by someone they don't like. I am not saying that you should agree with any source, but some forum users should try to make a counter-argument instead of saying "It was written by XX- I don't like XX's views, so this is crap - why should I bother to discuss it?" (a classic ad-hom if you ask me, as I already told you once).
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 15:16:41

A reputable source is one who is willing to concede that the world operates counter to his or her wishes or fears, to concede to the cold hard data rather than to constantly spin it. That's what's known as objectivity. The blogosphere is full of pseudo-activists/cult-leaders who have a vested interest in pushing alternative-reality red-piller viewpoints. The messengers I shoot are the latter. It's not that they don't try to muster a truthy argument with charts and graphs, but charts and graphs alone don't cut it. The info needs to be vetted as does the correlation/causation logic. The Oil Drum seemed extremely authoritative back in the day. The essays were very slick and technical. The conclusions TOD made were still wrong, though. People are easily fooled by style/presentation or being told what they want to hear. Since TOD diaspora, people are now clinging to Gail's blog, or Greer, or Zerohedge and Shadowstats. But it's all the same coke in a new bottle. It's all doom all the time served up with a heaping dose of dimestore words and convoluted logic that can easily fool the gullible, not to mention topped off with the opiate of fist-shaking at TPTB which is always sure to seal the deal with cynical doomers.

This is exactly why I can both see us as in a glut/lull AND simultaneously still believe in LTG and malthusian catastrophes. The reason is because doom doesn't have to hurry up and happen in order to service my 10+ year burden of Cassandra syndrome. It will happen when it's good and ready and all of this holding a microscope up to the minutiae of charts and graphs doesn't accomplish anything when it's easy to see when you go down to the local gas station that we're in a glut or with the various economic reports that the center is managing to hold. It matters not whether I like it or not. This is objective reality.

Some people are just too anxious about doom, having anticipated it for so long, that they feel compelled to predict it as perpetually nigh. That kind of thing is, unfortunately, my pet-peeve which is why I'm playing this futile whack-a-mole.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 15:56:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ')The reason is because doom doesn't have to hurry up and happen in order to service my 10+ year burden of Cassandra syndrome. It will happen when it's good and ready and all of this holding a microscope up to the minutiae of charts and graphs doesn't accomplish anything ....


Or that it mirrors your own biological lifetime. Ennui, this was well written again, you do have this pegged I must say, although this site is not that populated by this stereotype however accurate it may be. There are a few hard core doomers but most have moderated their views here. Time does that.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 20:57:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The chart is great! How do you make it?

pstarr, I didn't see a response below, so thought I'd try to help.

Spreadsheets are really wonderful things. In my experience, this looks very much like a chart from a spreadsheet. You can highlight some data in two columns in a spreadsheet in Excel 2010, for example, and pick "insert" and then "line" (in the chart selections) and then "3d line chart" and get a chart that looks very much like that, for example. Obviously, you can fiddle around with fonts and colors and labels and details like that. It's been years, but as I recall, Lotus 123, Lotus Improv, etc. worked in much the same way (I don't remember the navigation details but the concept and the results were similar).

You literally made one like that with less numbers and without the correct labels in about 30 seconds to verify the navigation info, while writing this.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby SumYunGai » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 22:21:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The chart is great! How do you make it?

pstarr, I didn't see a response below, so thought I'd try to help.

Spreadsheets are really wonderful things. In my experience, this looks very much like a chart from a spreadsheet. You can highlight some data in two columns in a spreadsheet in Excel 2010, for example, and pick "insert" and then "line" (in the chart selections) and then "3d line chart" and get a chart that looks very much like that, for example. Obviously, you can fiddle around with fonts and colors and labels and details like that. It's been years, but as I recall, Lotus 123, Lotus Improv, etc. worked in much the same way (I don't remember the navigation details but the concept and the results were similar).

You literally made one like that with less numbers and without the correct labels in about 30 seconds to verify the navigation info, while writing this.

That's one way to do it. I just used this easy online chart making tool:

http://www.onlinecharttool.com/

Sorry, I missed your question pstarr.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby SumYunGai » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 22:31:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') believe you are being dismissive, Outcaste? How about that.

I have been making pivot tables, charts, and other exotica in Excel for decades. Thing is I just can not stand most internet-based graphic applications. Too stupid and too slow. But I do like what SumYunGai did to our idiot troll with his idiot charting program. I am fan!

Thanks pstarr. It's all about the facts and hard data with me.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 23:35:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '
')It's all about the facts and hard data with me.


So when oil spikes again or the economy is still standing in 4 years you'll accept the hard fact that ETP's invalid?

Didn't think so.

BTW, what do you think of the fact you've been banned from multiple places--including here? Do you really want to scrutinize someone else's internet decorum too closely? More stones to throw in glass houses?
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby SumYunGai » Wed 14 Sep 2016, 23:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '
')It's all about the facts and hard data with me.


So when oil spikes again or the economy is still standing in 4 years you'll accept the hard fact that ETP's invalid?

Didn't think so.

BTW, what do you think of the fact you've been banned from multiple places--including here? Do you really want to scrutinize someone else's internet decorum too closely? More stones to throw in glass houses?

Dude, why are you so uptight?
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 15 Sep 2016, 00:04:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '
')It's all about the facts and hard data with me.


So when oil spikes again or the economy is still standing in 4 years you'll accept the hard fact that ETP's invalid?

Didn't think so.

BTW, what do you think of the fact you've been banned from multiple places--including here? Do you really want to scrutinize someone else's internet decorum too closely? More stones to throw in glass houses?

Dude, why are you so uptight?


That wasn't a rhetorical question. If you're all about the facts, then be prepared to accept them when they shatter your narratives. Otherwise you're just blowing hot air.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby SumYunGai » Thu 15 Sep 2016, 00:17:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '
')It's all about the facts and hard data with me.


So when oil spikes again or the economy is still standing in 4 years you'll accept the hard fact that ETP's invalid?

Didn't think so.

BTW, what do you think of the fact you've been banned from multiple places--including here? Do you really want to scrutinize someone else's internet decorum too closely? More stones to throw in glass houses?

Dude, why are you so uptight?

That wasn't a rhetorical question.

Neither was mine. You really are uptight.

As far as the graph thing goes, you were suddenly everywhere at once. I am sure other people noticed, too. I posted the "Peak ennui?" graph as a humorous way to highlight this. Other people thought it was pretty funny. But you can't even take a little joke. You tried to lie about it instead and claim that I had a higher post count. I couldn't resist making the second graph to catch you in the act. Now you want to pick a fight over what? You are a distraction machine.

Try to relax. Why don't we just discuss hydrocarbon depletion, okay?
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 15 Sep 2016, 10:09:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')But you can't even take a little joke.


PStarr conceded that he's only here for the yuks. Is that your ultimate purpose as well? You're gonna just waste all our time when all you're interested in doing is yanking people's chains?

Is that your fallback point when you've been backed into a corner and have reverted to nothing but 100% ad-hom and you piss people off enough?

"Hey, fellas, can't ya take a joke?"

That's what PStarr has done many times. When he runs out of rebuttals he puts on his groucho glasses and tries slinging cheap-ass vaudeville jokes. He's not funny or charming. He's just obnoxious, and tragically, he can't see it, thinking he's somehow surrounded by something approximating friends here.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 15 Sep 2016, 22:59:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')up. He's a liar. As for Copious, he used to post as Oilfinder, and Oilfinder2. He gets kicked off apparently or leaves in a huff?

Geeze, I've explained this in the past but ... OilFinder's account got messed up when we had a server problem. So I re-registered as OilFinder2. Then I just decided to change the name to copious.abundance.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hen the final accounting comes due, Copious will be known as the original troll peak-oil denier. He has done more to distract the sheeple and preventing the truth from coming out then even adam or mos (ennui's previous handle). Copious is the original oil-industry flack.

Yeah, too bad for p-the-starr that, probably more than most anyone on this board, I've been right.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby peripato » Fri 16 Sep 2016, 00:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')up. He's a liar. As for Copious, he used to post as Oilfinder, and Oilfinder2. He gets kicked off apparently or leaves in a huff?

Geeze, I've explained this in the past but ... OilFinder's account got messed up when we had a server problem. So I re-registered as OilFinder2. Then I just decided to change the name to copious.abundance.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hen the final accounting comes due, Copious will be known as the original troll peak-oil denier. He has done more to distract the sheeple and preventing the truth from coming out then even adam or mos (ennui's previous handle). Copious is the original oil-industry flack.

Yeah, too bad for p-the-starr that, probably more than most anyone on this board, I've been right.

Oily, good to see you're still alive and kicking... :-D
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 16 Sep 2016, 09:05:00

Your name says it all copious. Living in your own manufactured world. Ignorance is bliss uh. Until it isn't.
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Re: Peakers underestimate TPTB at maintaining the Status Quo

Unread postby ennui2 » Fri 16 Sep 2016, 09:25:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'Y')our name says it all copious. Living in your own manufactured world. Ignorance is bliss uh. Until it isn't.


Considering that it's a glut and there's an epidemic of obesity, I don't see how the name copious is ignorant of the world as it is. Might not be tomorrow, but that's how it is..now.

Doomers have chronic difficulties living in the present-tense.
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