[ennui2]

Feeling superior...much?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'F')eeling superior...much?

[Ibon]

Putting aside a moment Ennui's love affair with always focusing on the messenger instead of the message, and in order to not get sidetracked, I most humbly do submit that the resiliency of the status quo and TPTB is atleast as equally related to the masses of humanity allowing themselves willingly to submit to mediocrity as much as it has to do with TPTB representing some controlling force.

That is a vein worth exploring. The reason I bring this up is that most folks today are employed and tied into the status quo more firmly than in the past where there was more occupations of "self made men" like farmers, fisherman, folks who made a living from their own resources. Today almost everyone is an employee or far more dependent on TPTB than in historical times.

In spite of all the "empowerment" that technology was supposed to have brought us in the end we are more dependent rather than less. This dependency leads to a more submissive population, a population less courageous to question the status quo.... a population content to distract themselves with their digital devices..... a population content with the mediocrity for example of the typical posts you would see on Facebook.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'P')utting aside a moment Ennui's love affair with always focusing on the messenger instead of the message, and in order to not get sidetracked, I most humbly do submit that the resiliency of the status quo and TPTB is atleast as equally related to the masses of humanity allowing themselves willingly to submit to mediocrity as much as it has to do with TPTB representing some controlling force.

That is a vein worth exploring. The reason I bring this up is that most folks today are employed and tied into the status quo more firmly than in the past where there was more occupations of "self made men" like farmers, fisherman, folks who made a living from their own resources. Today almost everyone is an employee or far more dependent on TPTB than in historical times.

In spite of all the "empowerment" that technology was supposed to have brought us in the end we are more dependent rather than less. This dependency leads to a more submissive population, a population less courageous to question the status quo.... a population content to distract themselves with their digital devices..... a population content with the mediocrity for example of the typical posts you would see on Facebook.

[onlooker]

I agree Ibon with your assessment. However I am also noticing an uneasy feeling sweeping the consciousness of the general populace. This is because people may not know the particulars of our unsustainable path but seem to suspect the menacing nature of the situation. My wife is into spirituality and the ET phenomenon and is optimistic about our collective situation. So people are handling this feeling and knowledge in different ways. I do believe the status quo in general is not very reassuring to most people at present. I see tectonic people inspired movements beginning to take shape and becoming ever more prominent in the near future.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orld politics has undergone a radical and often-overlooked transformation in the last fifteen years, resulting neither from the collapse of the Soviet Union nor the rising tide of fundamentalism, but from the unprecedented growth of non-governmental organizations around the globe.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Joe6P ad Jane6P care about home/car/kids/bills/entertainment/reality TV. They do not care about the environment except when the weather makes them uncomfortable. They do not care about truth, justice or your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness except when it impact on their lifestyle.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') agree Ibon with your assessment. However I am also noticing an uneasy feeling sweeping the consciousness of the general populace. This is because people may not know the particulars of our unsustainable path but seem to suspect the menacing nature of the situation. My wife is into spirituality and the ET phenomenon and is optimistic about our collective situation. So people are handling this feeling and knowledge in different ways. I do believe the status quo in general is not very reassuring to most people at present. I see tectonic people inspired movements beginning to take shape and becoming ever more prominent in the near future.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('claman', 'B')ut it is also, in present times, a way to keep the majority of the people out of contact with the ongoing global debate.
All africans and south americans can read peakoil, but only a small percent of arabs, chinese, russian or indians can have the pleasure of reading our rants or points of view.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he only challenge I would make to Tanada's assessment is that this is pretty American centric. I did live 10 years in Europe and I would say your average European is far more engaged in poltical, cultural and in environmental issues. There is a lot of Euro trash of course as well but mostly folks in Europe do express a concern over politics and environmental issues far more than your average more hedonistic American. So culture does have some influence.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'F')rance did a great job of decarbonizing in the 1973-85 the period.

[ennui2]

That seems to also have been the rationale for Japan's nukes and look where that's gotten them.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ') The problem is lip service is as far as it goes.

[ennui2]

You need to look into a battery backup of some sort eventually. Maybe Powerwall 1 isn't quite there yet, but one of its successors.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')I observe an interesting difference between our European and North American guests. The Europeans keep the lights to a minimum in their cabins and it is often dark. The North Americans generally leave all the lights blazing. I have had to tell our European guests a number of times to please leave the lights on as much as they want since we have excess power with no one to offer this to being in such a remote location and it gets dumped anyway.

[ralfy]

There's no need for posters in this forum to make TPTB "stifle" profits. The latter will go down on their own because of limits to growth. It just so happens that limits to growth is the point of this forum.

[shortonoil]

According to a recent WSJ article China's debt is growing a rate equal of 40% of its GDP per year. Its GDP is overstated because it includes a great number of one time expenditures. Looking at that number it would be easy to conclude that the TPTB are overestimating their power to maintain the status quo.

With our female Hobbit FED chairperson afraid to lift rates 1/4% of one percent, as it is likely to collapse the entire equity market, the TPTP now have about as much control as a sky driver who forgot their parachute.

The only thing that the TPTP can control is their anxiety; that is because they can afford really good drugs.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')here's no need for posters in this forum to make TPTB "stifle" profits. The latter will go down on their own because of limits to growth.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'Y')ou need to look into a battery backup of some sort eventually. Maybe Powerwall 1 isn't quite there yet, but one of its successors.