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Counting on the balcony

Unread postby Sys1 » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 05:23:25

I'm living in a middle size town in the south of France. This morning, i took my breakfast on the balcony instead of kitchen. There's a road something like 50 meters away. I stared at the cars. Many cars. Won't last for long, i bet.
But in fact, what really amazed me was the number of trucks. Lot of those heavy machines transporting goods everywhere. 1 2 3... I witnessed this infinite procession...
How the hell will we do without oil?
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Re: Counting on the balcony

Unread postby MD » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 06:02:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', '
')How the hell will we do without oil?

Poorly
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Unread postby shakespear1 » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 07:07:41

Start visualizing 10, 200, 500 horse drawn carts and fowl smell drifting toward your balcony as you are drinking your cafe late and enjoying a coissoint. :)
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Unread postby RonMN » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 08:34:56

Isn't it funny how you notice thing you've never noticed before...after you've become PO aware?
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Unread postby Roy » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 09:02:56

Good point Ron.

I started noticing all the plastic in every store I went into, including all the merchanidising and store fixtures.

Endless lines of inefficient vehicles idling for what seems likes hours.

Overweight people everywhere. It seems that here at least, skinny (ie normal weight) people make up less than half to total population (over 30 anyway).

Fat kids. Ever notice how many kids are overweight now compared to 30 years ago? Look at old pictures from the 70s. Try to find a fat kid. There may be a few but nowhere near as many as now.

None of these things bode well for the future, and they're all symptoms of the over abundance of cheap energy.

I also notice more and more people coming around to "something's wrong with our society", whether they be peak oilers, relgious fanatics, or environmentalists. Everyone's got a different reason why things are slowly disintegrating, but all share a belief that the outcome won't be good for the average American.

These are things I notice.
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Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 09:17:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')....I also notice more and more people coming around to "something's wrong with our society", whether they be peak oilers, relgious fanatics, or environmentalists. Everyone's got a different reason why things are slowly disintegrating, but all share a belief that the outcome won't be good for the average American.

These are things I notice.


That vibe would be the 4th turning coming. Go get Strauss and Howe's (1997) Fourth Turning

Good point Ron. And France man. I see all the same stuff. All sorts of energy inefficiencies that seem trivial, except in light of PO.
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Unread postby Trindelm » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 11:50:56

Consider the ratio of SUV's to regular cars as well.
Every other vehicle parked on North Damen in Chicago is an SUV. As oil gets rarer, thus more expensive, its gonna be kind of fun to watch these idiots crying at the gas pump.
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Unread postby gego » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 12:35:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')tart visualizing 10, 200, 500 horse drawn carts and fowl smell drifting toward your balcony as you are drinking your cafe late and enjoying a coissoint. :)

Lets see, one horse = 1 horsepower. How many horses to equal the power of one truck?
Where are all these horses coming from? Considering that most mares only have 1 foal per year and the inventory of draft horses is not very large just now, I think it could be some time.

Don't forget 1/3 of crop production would need to go to feed horses.

Not a great solution for 6.5 billion hungry mouths.
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Unread postby RonMN » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 13:00:21

This is my 2nd summer of NOT turning on the AC...and i'm now noticing how many people are complaining how "hot" it is when it's 85 degrees. I tell the "it's not the epitomy of comfort...but it's really not hot or uncomfortable".

They look at me like a freak :x i guess i'm used to it by now.

I'm starting to think that energy may be the tool used to purchase mens souls!
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Unread postby Librarianne » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 15:07:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I')sn't it funny how you notice thing you've never noticed before...after you've become PO aware?


I've been looking at everything a little different too...it's like I've taken a half step backward from the world and am now observing things passing by.

I look at people with all their gadgets, and wonder (somewhat facetiously), "how did we ever get along with out them?" Meaning cell phones, computers, SUV's, etc.

Saturday while working at the library, one girl of about 11 yrs old came to the check-out desk, and I had a flash of wondering where she might be in five years, and how her life may be different than it is now. Will she be strong? A survivor? These kind of thoughts hit when I'm thinking in my most "doomish" times.

I see more prius cars around, but I also see more hummers in town. I wonder why, and how people can even consider such a vehicle. Do they realize how it looks to other people? Do they even care?

Obesity rates have gone way up here as well. Again, when thinking apocolyptically I wonder what will become of those people. It isn't pretty.

Plastics everywhere!

I think about where I can find edible plants nearby.

I think about how oil affects almost EVERYTHING I do or have in one way or another. It's staggering.

More often now, I think about how my life might change, and how best to deal with the changes - as I'm sure all of you do too. With those thoughts alone, I think we're several steps ahead of the consuming masses. Ultimately we'll deal with any changes that might occur better than people that are faced with it suddenly.

I'm first to admit - the knowledge of PO and the potential effects it may have, have changed my life. I'm glad to be in the know.

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Unread postby Sys1 » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:02:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')aturday while working at the library, one girl of about 11 yrs old came to the check-out desk, and I had a flash of wondering where she might be in five years, and how her life may be different than it is now. Will she be strong? A survivor? These kind of thoughts hit when I'm thinking in my most "doomish" times.


Funny... 6 months ago, just after learning about PO, i was driving my car and at a stop, i saw a mother with her 3 years old little girl walking in the street. The little girl watched me in the eyes. I whispered "Good luck".
I've the feeling to be in a nightmare. It's so unreal, while damn fascinating.
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Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:11:01

OK it was breakfast-time, in all fairness, that's a time when there are a lot of delivery trucks on the road. I'ts not like that all day, take a day off work and count the trucks all day, you probably saw most of them.

Horses/oxen can haul the loads, but it will take more horsecarts/oxcarts and they'll do it slower, but if we're down to those there will be less goods being delivered too.
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Unread postby gnm » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:11:55

I feel the same way but I'm looking into my own small childrens eyes...
:(

Well at least they'll have me looking out for em...


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Unread postby EdF » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:20:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'T')his is my 2nd summer of NOT turning on the AC...and i'm now noticing how many people are complaining how "hot" it is when it's 85 degrees. I tell the "it's not the epitomy of comfort...but it's really not hot or uncomfortable". ...


My third, but I moved my office to the basement this year because the 95+ degrees in the afternoon of its usual location was intolerable.

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Unread postby ab0di » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 18:18:01

I haven't been able to go without AC because of my wife's health. I have cut back a great deal by opening the windows at night and closing them in the morning. I only run the AC when the indoor temp is over 85 or the humidity gets too high, usually late in the afternoon for an hour.

I'm in the process of converting a screened-in porch to a summer kitchen to keep cooking heat and humidty out of the house. Should have it done in time for late summer canning.
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Unread postby Schneider » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 19:20:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ab0di', 'I') haven't been able to go without AC because of my wife's health. I have cut back a great deal by opening the windows at night and closing them in the morning. I only run the AC when the indoor temp is over 85 or the humidity gets too high, usually late in the afternoon for an hour.

I'm in the process of converting a screened-in porch to a summer kitchen to keep cooking heat and humidty out of the house. Should have it done in time for late summer canning.


Another thing you could do is to put a lot of crawling vines all around and on top of the house..your house will get shade and cooling from the vines with the evaporation process of the plant :) !

Of course,it is a lot of work at the beginning and some maintenance..but the benefics are there and you'll get grapes at the end :lol: (but be carefull with the places with treated woods)!

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Re: Counting on the balcony

Unread postby spot5050 » Fri 15 Jul 2005, 00:57:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', 'H')ow the hell will we do without oil?

You dont understand PO. Doing "Without oil" is many generations ahead.

Picture the PO chart in your head now, you know the one... it's bell-shaped.

Now picture yourself at the top of the bell-curve. That's where we are right now. Are you happy to be at the top of the curve, or sad? You sound sad. To me your attitude is very negative. You are sad to be at the peak; sad to be amongst the most affluent humans to ever walk this planet.
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