[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')emantics? Not really. I giving you and Monsanto a pass.

My point is that broken DNA doesn't function in the complex way that cancer plays out. (Having programmed computers I understand how poor code has cascading consequences.) It seems that broken DNA should not be capable of creating complex tumors replete with their own blood supply and internal structure?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')At least the mainstream food industry doesn't couch its sales efforts in phony health claims. Those folks just want you to eat a lot until your explode.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')At least the mainstream food industry doesn't couch its sales efforts in phony health claims. Those folks just want you to eat a lot until your explode.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'Y')eah, some clown posting a stupid picture totally nullifies the fact that glyphosate is a chemical that damages DNA and RNA and therefore is a carcinogen.

Twerp, twerp, twerp.

[onlooker]

http://news.yahoo.com/cancer-surge-chin ... 51951.html
this link is to these informal dwellings that are meeting the demand of cancer patients do be near to medical facilities that treat cancer. This also, is a reflection of horrible environmental problems that now are bearing consequences. Air pollution especially. Of course it also does not help the Chinese that they smoke so much. Between the smoking and air pollution it is a wonder 90% or more Chinese do not have lung cancer.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'h')ttp://news.yahoo.com/cancer-surge-china-prompts-rise-special-patient-hotels-051951951.html
this link is to these informal dwellings that are meeting the demand of cancer patients do be near to medical facilities that treat cancer. This also, is a reflection of horrible environmental problems that now are bearing consequences. Air pollution especially. Of course it also does not help the Chinese that they smoke so much. Between the smoking and air pollution it is a wonder 90% or more Chinese do not have lung cancer.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '
')The cancer rates in North America are being ignored by the media.

[onlooker]

this is in keeping dissident with a post I made some time back about how cancer rates are probably already higher then reported in some media. Also, a lot more to come about in the near future. I heard that the cancer development cycle runs some 20 to 30 years. So figure in these last 20 to 30 years more cars, more chemicals of all kinds in the air, water and ingested and we should see much higher rates. It is just so contaminated now this Earth. I just dislike always talking doom but it is there to talk about. Oh well.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', ' ')I saw a National Geographic video where an expert on trying to monitor new substances introduced into water supplies spoke. He made a frightening point: How do you test for new substance "X"? If only by itself, that's not a big deal. But what about the thousands of other man made substances being dumped into rivers, etc? Do you only test combinations of two substances? Or three? Or four, five, six, etc? Real soon you get a giant factorial problem where testing for all the desired combinations becomes truly impossible, when there are thousands of substances to be tested.

[onlooker]

Great post Outcast, yes chemicals have been shown to have multiplier or synergistic effects whereby a combination of certain chemicals could have an unanticipated effect.

[vox_mundi]

Israeli port city closes 5 factories over cancer fears

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The mayor of Haifa, Israel's third largest city, ordered Sunday the closure of five petrochemical plants following a health ministry warning linking high cancer rates to air pollution.

Haifa Mayor Yona Yahav further said that municipality trucks were blocking the entrances to Israel Oil Refineries and Petroleum & Energy Infrastructures, both of which are based on the bay in the northern port city.

"From now on, no tankers will have access to the factories," he said in remarks relayed by his office, which said five factories had been ordered to shut down.

The move came after a senior health ministry official sent a letter to the interior ministry's planning department warning of a disproportionately high cancer rate in the Haifa area due to the operation of such plants.

Written by Professor Itamar Grotto, head of the ministry's public health services, the letter quoted Hebrew University research published in the American Journal of Cancer Epidemiology and Prevention which found "an increased risk of developing cancer in a heavily-industrialised sub-district" of the city.

The letter was submitted as part of an appeal against plans to expand oil refineries in the area.

"Compared to the incidence in the rest of Israel, the Haifa subdistrict population had an elevated hazard ratio of lung, head and neck, colo-rectal, gastric and oesophagus, bladder and cervical carcinoma," the researchers wrote.

[onlooker]

To think how much fossil fuels have been spewed into the air since the dawn of the Industrial revolution. Just how much that has affected human health and how much of that can be blamed for current high rates of asthma and allergies who knows. But for sure it is substantial. Just another indication of how we have poisoned ourselves.

[dissident]

I applaud the initiative of these municipal leaders in Haifa. An example for the rest of the world on how to act. Unfortunately, in most places all level of government are squirming shills for the corporations.

[onlooker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLyMhNdcSc
note the reference to a study which concludes that 97% of the time chemotherapy is not effective against cancer. Pretty damming. Why is Chemo still a treatment. PROFIT.

[ennui2]

Well, if it says so in a youtube video, it must be true, right?

[Tanada]

t has been known since the 1950's that somewhere between 65 and 75 percent of all solid tumor cancers are glucose dependent. Their mitochondria are damaged and do not function so they can only power themselves with blood sugar. That is a good part of the reason both Chemotherapy and Radiation treatments work, they destroy the patient appetite, they fast and as a result their blood sugar goes down to about 70 over abut three weeks. The cancer cells dependent on glucose become weak and the immune system is able to eliminate many of them.

Of course you can get the same effect by putting the patient on a close to zero carb diet, but that doesn't make a lot of money for big pharma.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n contrast to normal differentiated cells, which rely primarily on mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation to generate the energy needed for cellular processes, most cancer cells instead rely on aerobic glycolysis, a phenomenon termed “the Warburg effect.” Aerobic glycolysis is an inefficient way to generate adenosine 5′-triphosphate (ATP), however, and the advantage it confers to cancer cells has been unclear. Here we propose that the metabolism of cancer cells, and indeed all proliferating cells, is adapted to facilitate the uptake and incorporation of nutrients into the biomass (e.g., nucleotides, amino acids, and lipids) needed to produce a new cell. Supporting this idea are recent studies showing that (i) several signaling pathways implicated in cell proliferation also regulate metabolic pathways that incorporate nutrients into biomass; and that (ii) certain cancer-associated mutations enable cancer cells to acquire and metabolize nutrients in a manner conducive to proliferation rather than efficient ATP production. A better understanding of the mechanistic links between cellular metabolism and growth control may ultimately lead to better treatments for human cancer.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'W')ell, if it says so in a youtube video, it must be true, right?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

You're actually the idiot for falling for naturopathic bullshit. For someone that likes to throw around their credentials, I find it odd that you'd promote what is essentially a half-assed "doctor" in disguise. Naturopaths are fucking quacks. I went to a school to earn pre-reqs for PA school that offered alternative medicine degrees. It's a three year program where all residency and clinical rotations are done at the school's own natural medicine/chiropractic clinic. But please, feel free to go to one when your having symptoms of a heart attack. I'm sure they will fix everything. One of them told me she saved someone who was apparently suffering an MI by using some ancient Chinese pressure point technique. I should mention she works at Target now. That's because most successful CAM practitioners are essentially con artists.

I'm actually really impressed with your knowledge of climate science, but you come off like a certified quack when it comes to medicine. You've gone on similar rants about vaccines while citing papers from some obscure medical journal or natural health websites. I'm going to post videos by the local weatherman or and astrology website disputing climate change.

Tell you what, if we both get cancer, you can use colloidal silver, grapefruit enemas, or whatever fucked up earth muffin therapy you want. I'll gladly take the chemo.

@onlooker

Keytruda, a PD1 inhibitor, is one of the latest cancer treatments to be FDA approved. It uses the body's own immune system to attack cancer. A course of treatment costs something like $100,000. You know the pharmaceutical companies that don't care about finding a cancer cure are missing out on? A fuckton of money being thrown their way.

Western medicine isn't perfect, but if you want to have a shaman do a rain dance over you to cure your appendicitis, then good luck.

[onlooker]

People you are getting the false impression I am against science and that medicine does not have a scientific basis. That is NOT my claim. I am saying that Western medicine specifically the US type has become corrupted by the profit motive. I created this thread to alert those who still may not know about the greater risks of cancer from living in this overly contaminated world. Also, to have people in the US be more alert as to what treatments to enter into and which to perhaps avoid in being treated by the establishment medical profession. I truly believe in the connection between diet and health. Those who would pooh pooh it away are themselves not applying scientific principles. It is a timeless axiom that we are what we eat. Tanada post alludes to the fact that cancer cells thrive with glucose and conversely they have a difficult time in a alkaline environment and without sugar. If one simply takes into account that Chemotherapy are potent chemical concoctions that is introduced into the patient without targeting exclusively the cancer cells, then obviously healthy cells are being attacked and killed. To me this is counterproductive to curing cancer as the Immune system is a persons biggest ally to combat cancer. Maybe, some of you erudite people can post studies and papers that will either support or refute the efficacy of Chemo as a treatment for cancer.