by radon1 » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:26:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')'fluctuates a bit around 1' In what manner? How much?
Industrial oil stocks are probably days or weeks of consumption, and changes in these stock are probably percentage points of their own total volume. So the fluctuations should be percentage points of percentage points absent a major disruption.
Strictly speaking, EROEI is a function of the period of time over which it is measured, but given that the oil stream is pretty much uniform over time, fluctutions of short-term EROEIs should not be much different from longer-term EROEIs, though probably slightly more volatile.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ROEI is currently 'more or less' huh? Which is it right now? More? Or less? You seem to know radon? Please share the metric by which you have arrived at more. Or less. A method? Or should I say methodology lol
Oil produced during a period divided by oil consumed during this period. Nothing to build a website around
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') suspect that you don't even know the difference between efficiency measures of energy-storage conversion/delivery systems (such as refineries that convert crude to diesel, or transmission lines that carry electricity) and measures of primary energy production/extraction. (the gathering/mining of the coal, crude, or uranium).
These are all irrelevant for our purposes. See "radon's paradox" I posted earlier.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou apparently are in a bubble guy. Sorry, but one needs to step outside ones industrial nest to understand how the nest materials are gathered. It requires a lot of flapping around and sweating.
by ennui2 » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:40:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')why do you cite an obviously biased source about Americans driving and taking trips.
I've talked about the rise of Chindia too. It's not just the US.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')How does that translate to a vibrant economy?
A "vibrant economy" doesn't mean everyone's going to be doing the kind of work you or I would prefer. If it were up to me, people would NOT be taking road-trips. I'm just describing things as they are.
What exactly would you want people to be doing?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')I notice you do not post about how many Americans are the govt. dole or how many work in low paying, soul draining jobs etc.
How often in human history have everyone worked great white-collar jobs? Wouldn't it be a spoiled sense of entitlement to expect this, otherwise claim "doom"? Just because there's a glut doesn't mean everyone lives like kings, especially since we just pulled ourselves out of the great recession (not depression, recession).
Not only that, but I've explained how certain structural changes in work are being brought on not by peak-oil doom but by high-tech, like the robots that are doing and will do most of the actual work at the Gigafactory that just opened. The peak-oil narrative of yore never factored techno-singularity unemployment, only a reversion to a world-made-by-hand or falling all the way back to Mad Max or Cormac McCarthy. Either way you slice it, this is NOT the doom we were promised to see.
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Seriously, doomers should avoid the temptation of labeling the status quo doom just because the world isn't your chosen utopia. It really co-opts the term. Everyone has their own unique ideal of how the world should be and it's never in an ideal state (which is something even Plato understood in ancient Greece). Lack of subjective perfection != doom.
I knew a long time ago that the big force driving doomerism is ideological dissatisfaction with the status quo. But since everyone's idea of perfection is different, you can't go around issuing laundry-lists of grievances about why this or that should change and expect that to convince people we're living in a dystopia. What one person thinks of as hell is heaven to someone else.
"If the oil price crosses above the Etp maximum oil price curve within the next month, I will leave the forum." --SumYunGai (9/21/2016)
by radon1 » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 21:06:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'r')adon1, you defintion of EROEI:
This is not definition, definition is classic; this is derivation.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou run an oil rig. Your diesel engine is powered by the crude you extract from the ground. All that drilling requires 1 barrel crude/day. You produce a 1 barrel per day. Guess what?
You won't be producing this oil, unless you are doing this for self-entertainment. So what? What are you trying to say?
by ennui2 » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 21:20:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hen that transport fuel disappears for folks, regions, entire economies than the TS does HTF
Then we should be thankful that...
....wait for it......
We're still in a glut!
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