Ancient Psy-Ops

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 08 Jul 2005, 14:29:40

Reading in Herodotus' The History can be an amazing eye-opener foreshadowing what kind of world we may be headed for. Reading in Book 4 about the Scythians and I come across this little interesting tid bit of ancient psy-ops used as a tactic: The Scythians had a nomad society where they blinded their slaves and used them in their horse-milking. They had been off for 28 years up in Turkey making war and their wives had made a new generation of children with the blind slaves. The slave children made a fierce resistance to the returning Scythians fighting as free men with the standard weapons of the time. The returning Scythians fought them but could not win and lost many of their warriors.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t this, one of the Scythians said: "What a thing we are doing, fellow countrymen! We are fighting with our own slaves. We get killed ourselves, and we are that much fewer. We kill them and we have that many fewer subjects to rule. I think we should leave by our spears and bows. Let each one of us take up a horsewhip and go for them with that. As long as they are used to seeing us with arms, they think they are our equals and that their fathers are likewise our equals. Let them see us with whips instead of arms, and they will learn that they are our slaves; and, once they have realized that, they will not stand their ground against us."

When the Scythians heard this, they carried it out. The slaves were bewildered by what happened and forgot their fighting spirit and fled.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 01:36:33

There had been an interesting reply to this from somebody who noted that the Scythians were famous for drinking out of human skull cups. They also were fantastic gold artisans:

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 01:52:48

Slavery is such a constant feature of the human past. Master-slave psychology would no doubt make a fascinating subject to study as it is no doubt going to return in a major way in the future. The fact that such refined products as these artifacts came from a slave-holding society, and nomadic as well, shows that cruelty and refinement have often coexisted. Our time is such an anomaly. One might say that the future means a return to normalcy, with all that is sublime and horrifying. The one truly sublime and horrifying creation of our time is the H Bomb, and of course it trumps the past and may annihilate the future, or may not. Let's hope not. They in the far-off future can marvel at what remains of our time. The crass idiocy of it will mercifully disappear quickly leaving, well what will we leave behind? Won't the skyscrapers fall over in a few hundred years?

by **MacG** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 03:47:50

This is very interesting. I wonder a bit about how successively higher levels of government have established themselves the last 700-800 years. As each level of government establish itself, it effectively erase the lower levels. When a kingdom establish dynastic power, it curb all lower levels of government of older age. When our governments crumble and fail, there wont be any fallback governmental structures around. I think we are heading for completely uncharted waters here.

by **shakespear1** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 04:51:48

Considering the type of weaponry that is around today it really makes me wonder what will come next once the current Empire hits the dust. Guess the boys that know how to use it will be in control. The little guy with a shotgun will be toast.

Whatever comes humans when pushed far enough will find a means to address the issues with their unique creativity based on necessity. :roll:

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 14:14:42

And how about modern psy-ops? I saw an interesting phrase in one of the oil blogs: 'deride and conquer'. Just speculation, of course, but suppose the objective is to destroy a population's critical consensus of reality. Get the people divided over the 'tin foil hat' issue. It will be possible to get away with all kinds of shit if the population is confused. It isn't neccessary to destroy critical thought everywhere, just drive a wedge into the consensual reality. What kind of psy-ops might achieve this end? how about crop circles? alien abductions? MKUltra? Is Art Bell a black ops agent? Hello Fox Mulder.

by **Zentric** » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 15:08:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')nd how about modern psy-ops? ... suppose the objective is to destroy a population's critical consensus of reality... It will be possible to get away with all kinds of shit if the population is confused. It isn't neccessary to destroy critical thought everywhere, just drive a wedge into the consensual reality.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 10 Jul 2005, 00:46:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', '
')You got it down, PMS. A good and creepy thread on Herodotus here, too. Kill science today, then mathematics, tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow, we won't even be able to count the fingers on our hand. Four, right? No, wait, five?
No, I'm not talking about the opposable thumb. (Asshole!) :razz:

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 10 Jul 2005, 14:30:11

A lot of the reading in Herodotus is dull, uninteresting stuff. But there are very interesting items here and there. There is another story about the Scythians that says that a band of them became guests of the Median King Cyraxares. They hunted game for the King's feasts. Some Median boys were entrusted to these Scythians to learn their language and the mastery of the bow. When they once returned from their hunt empty-handed the King treated them harshly and shamefully. The Scythians formed a plot for their revenge: they killed and chopped up the Median boy pupils and served them to the King for the feast. Then they fled to Lydia, whereupon a war broke out between Media and Lydia which lasted six years. Neither side could win this war and when a solar eclipse happened they took it as a sign to end the war. (this particular eclipse has actually been dated at 585 BC) The pages of history are spattered with blood.

by **Zentric** » Sun 10 Jul 2005, 19:47:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', '
')You got it down, PMS. A good and creepy thread on Herodotus here, too. Kill science today, then mathematics, tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow, we won't even be able to count the fingers on our hand. Four, right? No, wait, five?
No, I'm not talking about the opposable thumb. (Asshole!) :razz:

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 00:22:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', '
')
The thumb: Is it a 'finger' or more than just a 'finger'? Answer that and then you can decide whether the hand has five fingers or just four. It's symantics, obviously.

In Orwell's world (and that's the world I'm talking about here), science and math, as well as all surplus vocabulary and thought, were considered double-plus-ungood for the system

I wonder if you don't see any parallels in today's world?

by **Zentric** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 00:57:36

Semantics, okay. Some people seriously do not consider the thumb a finger. Don't believe me? Do a poll.

If your panties still remain in a bunch after this clarification, or you just want to talk, let me know.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 01:00:46

I guess that's as clear as you'll ever be 'bout the finger stuff. Cheers and right back atcha, knucklehead.

by **Zentric** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 01:13:58

You got anger issues. I made the mistake of thinking you were okay. Sorry for the bother.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 01:19:47

I've got no anger issues. You are playing games with this silly inscrutable finger stuff. I've told you that I have no idea what you are talking about and you continue to play games. But it is a good idea if you did just bug off and maybe somebody would like to talk about Herodotus. Preferably not a jack-ass like you.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 01:38:17

What we have here, folks, for your edification and amusement, is a real-time, real-life example of psy ops. Zentric adopts the feminine role of obfuscation and button pushing while I adopt the role of the straightforward, logical male. Often times it leads to the male becoming frustrated and angry because the female won't be reasonable and logical. She uses her mischievous and irrational guile to throw the male off balance. However, if the male understands the game, he can sigh and smile and then the female gets flustered instead.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 13:12:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')nd how about modern psy-ops?

What kind of psy-ops might achieve this end? how about crop circles? alien abductions? MKUltra? Is Art Bell a black ops agent? Hello Fox Mulder.

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