Greer advocates "green wizardry" which is to turn inward, bulk up your survival skills, and when things get bad enough, expect the neighbors to finally appreciate what you're doing and act as a mentor. That's probably the approach that produces the least amount of friction and stress.
Big A activism, picketing, protesting, 350.org type stuff, even Transition Town, I just don't think any of it has a chance of hitting critical mass while BAU is still in place.
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Re: Is waiting for consequences good enough?
by ennui2 » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 18:10:53
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Re: Is waiting for consequences good enough?
by onlooker » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 18:14:47
Thanks Ibon. Yes totally agree that consequences and actions will work in tandem. Oh and congratulations on having and molding a daughter that is making you proud.
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Re: Is waiting for consequences good enough?
by careinke » Tue 17 May 2016, 18:41:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'G')reer advocates "green wizardry" which is to turn inward, bulk up your survival skills, and when things get bad enough, expect the neighbors to finally appreciate what you're doing and act as a mentor. That's probably the approach that produces the least amount of friction and stress.
Big A activism, picketing, protesting, 350.org type stuff, even Transition Town, I just don't think any of it has a chance of hitting critical mass while BAU is still in place.
Big A activism, picketing, protesting, 350.org type stuff, even Transition Town, I just don't think any of it has a chance of hitting critical mass while BAU is still in place.
At least around me, this is already happening with 20-30 somethings observing the stuff I do, then apply the techniques, tips, and principle to their own properties. My kids are both "blue Collar" workers in their 30's. Of course they bring their friends out here to the beach frequently with many overnights. All are aware of the hardships heading their way.
Working on construction has honed them and their friends to manage their intermittent incomes well. They take the extra cash when times are good (like right now), and invest it in things that make them more resilient and self sufficient during non paid times. During those times they work on infrastructure at home. Almost all avoid debt like the plague, except for their property, and even there they make extra payments when they can.
Lots of them are interested in Permaculture, and frequently call me up for advise. Most have not gone to college, but spend lots of time on the internet researching various ways to do/build/make things online. As I've heard them say more than once "you tube is your friend."
Anyway this has given me a lot of hope, at least some are awake, and taking measures to prepare far a uncertain world.
On the permaculture side, adaptation is growing geometrically. It is expected a tipping point will be reached at an adoption rate of around 14-16 percent. Permaculture is now a recognized discipline for disaster relief with the UN. With the internet, and more and more people, testing more and more designs while freely sharing both success and failures, the knowledge base is also expanding rapidly.
Intellectually, I cannot see any major hurdles with everybody adopting at least the permaculture prime directive and three ethics. I know of Permaculturists in every faith and every location around the globe. Although there is no metaphysics in permaculture, you can have permaculture in churches, synagogues, and mosques, no problem.
I would be interested in negative feedback on the "Prime Directive"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only ethical decision is to take responsibility for our own existence and that of our children.
Or the three ethics:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1').Care of the Earth, 2. Care of people, and 3. Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and redistribute surplus to the benefit of the Earth and people.
I feel these principles will eventually be widely adopted or there is no hope. Fortunately, at least in this little section of the world, I see it happening at the personal level. Yes upcoming events are going to be hard and sometimes deadly, but there are a lot of us green anarchists that will be around to help the others when they wake up.
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Re: Is waiting for consequences good enough?
by Cog » Tue 17 May 2016, 20:51:33
I would like some clarification on this ethic:
3. Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and redistribute surplus to the benefit of the Earth and people.
In practical terms what does it mean with regards to implementation and enforcement?
3. Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and redistribute surplus to the benefit of the Earth and people.
In practical terms what does it mean with regards to implementation and enforcement?
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Re: Is waiting for consequences good enough?
by careinke » Wed 18 May 2016, 01:42:23
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') would like some clarification on this ethic:
3. Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and redistribute surplus to the benefit of the Earth and people.
In practical terms what does it mean with regards to implementation and enforcement?
3. Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and redistribute surplus to the benefit of the Earth and people.
In practical terms what does it mean with regards to implementation and enforcement?
It means you voluntarily give up some of your wealth and/or income, my government does it to you, or the world's poor will do it for us. In lieu of the former the latter will happen, it always has.
I have a slightly different take on the third ethic. I think the third ethic is the most misunderstood or not fully understood by most people. It has lots of practical applications across multiple fields. I'll break it down for you with some examples, just realize that it applies to most scientific disciplines. Remember, these are ethics, not orders.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')et limits to consumption
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd reproduction
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd redistribute surplus
