[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')ost ASEAN countries have 2 minimum award wages, one for each- rural & city. Roughly $3-8 a day, with a day being up to 12 working hours.

(That's the competition, just in case anyone forgot)

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', '
')
SixStrings- I would give you a detailed rebuttal- but for every one word I type, you type one hundred,

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')ost ASEAN countries have 2 minimum award wages, one for each- rural & city. Roughly $3-8 a day, with a day being up to 12 working hours.

(That's the competition, just in case anyone forgot)

[SeaGypsy]

Just to clarify- my rent in Australia is 12 hours wages a week at my earnings which are about average. In the Philippines my renting relatives work 15 hours a week to pay the rent. So even in the one area we are paying a lot more, in hours worked per rent balance we are still 20%+ better off.

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[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ':')?: What is the minimum wage in Viet Nam? China, India , Indonesia?
Now if a robot that takes no breaks, works three shifts a day, Pays no income or social security taxes, needs no workman's comp or health insurance was worth buying at $10.50 an hour What is it's value at $15.00/hour?
And another thing. The one percent did not steal our wealth. We gave it to them one Starbucks's coffee , one burger with fries, one lap top, one cell phone, one Xbox, one loaded automobile, one gallon of gas etc,at a time.

[SeaGypsy]

Yet again you are projecting into the text Outcast. VT is posing these questions to 6.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ':')?: What is the minimum wage in Viet Nam? China, India , Indonesia?
Now if a robot that takes no breaks, works three shifts a day, Pays no income or social security taxes, needs no workman's comp or health insurance was worth buying at $10.50 an hour What is it's value at $15.00/hour?
And another thing. The one percent did not steal our wealth. We gave it to them one Starbucks's coffee , one burger with fries, one lap top, one cell phone, one Xbox, one loaded automobile, one gallon of gas etc,at a time.

[Sixstrings]

I was watching morning joe on msnbc this morning, and Joe and Mika were talking about Trump again.

Joe Scarborough made the point that wages for white men have been sharply declining ever since 1974.

Trump's not for raising the minimum wage (maybe he'd flip on that one in the end, he recently said he wants a lot more education money spending), but the fact that even Republican base is economically suffering so much is why Trump fills stadiums and has all this support, "the man of the People" -- and he uses that very language, himself, it's quite unusual -- he said in the tv townhall last night "I have the People, I don't need Ted Cruz or anyone else."

Wages and employee benefits need to go up and get better, in the US. They're too low. That's the reality.

I don't know what this forum is sometimes, it's like you guys are all millionaires at the country club or something, having a beer before golf. Maybe you are, and God bless you, but at least pick up a newspaper or talk to the golf caddy or the pro shop clerk or bartender or janitor, to at least be aware of and find out what much of America is like and has been going through.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') was watching morning joe on msnbc this morning, and Joe and Mika were talking about Trump again.

Joe Scarborough made the point that wages for white men have been sharply declining ever since 1974.

He's not for raising the minimum wage (maybe he'd flip on that one in the end, he recently said he wants a lot more education money spending), but the fact that even Republican base is economically suffering so much is why Donald Trump fills stadiums and has all this support, "the man of the People" -- and he uses that very language, himself, it's quite unusual -- he said in the tv townhall last night "I have the People, I don't need Ted Cruz or anyone else."

Wages need to go up. They're too low. That's the reality.

I don't know what this forum is sometimes, it's like you guys are all millionaires at the country club or something, having a beer before golf. Maybe you are, and God bless you, but at least pick up a newspaper or talk to the golf caddy or pro shop clerk or bartender or janitor, to at least be aware of and find out what real America is like and has been going through.

[SeaGypsy]

The reason people keep arguing with you 6, is not that we are all rich (by world standards we are), but because you don't ever seem to get it for even a second, the USA is not a planet, it lives on one, & it relies on disproportionate resource allocation from outside it's borders to a very large extent. This means your country is both inextricably tied to global markets & dependent on tooth & nail competition to maintain the inequity. How you think this can happen while magically doubling minimum wage is simply not logical.

$1 an hour is a very good wage in many of your competing economies, up from $2 a day a couple of decades ago. As I detailed up thread, there is not a massive difference in cost of living to warrant this massive difference in labour cost, if that's what you are thinking. The issue is global & structural & your recipe enacted in simple terms would simply be inflationary - of no net benefit to the people you want to help.

The harsh reality is that manufacturing economies are heading inexorably toward wage equity, with the weighted balance favouring those at the lower cost end of the spectrum.

The only thing the US can do to improve living standards is reducing reliance on imports. It cannot compete on labour costs. The only thing the individual can do is improve their own position, through career planning, study, hard work, dedication, staying out of debt, being judicious about spending & saving. There ain't no magical solution to 'lift up America'- (make America Great again- just an empty slogan, a sales pitch, in dry reality).

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')es Six, I remember 1974. You could buy a new car for $3500 and the minimum wage was $2.30.

[SeaGypsy]

Read my post 6? Too complicated for you? No wonder people tire of your rambling. Whatever doesn't sit with your unicorn theory you just ignore or go off on a strawman tangent.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'R')ead my post 6? Too complicated for you? No wonder people tire of your rambling. Whatever doesn't sit with your unicorn theory you just ignore or go off on a strawman tangent.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he reason people keep arguing with you 6, is not that we are all rich (by world standards we are), but because you don't ever seem to get it for even a second, the USA is not a planet, it lives on one, & it relies on disproportionate resource allocation from outside it's borders to a very large extent. This means your country is both inextricably tied to global markets & dependent on tooth & nail competition to maintain the inequity. How you think this can happen while magically doubling minimum wage is simply not logical.

[C8]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Wages and employee benefits need to go up and get better, in the US. They're too low. That's the reality.

I don't know what this forum is sometimes, it's like you guys are all millionaires at the country club or something, having a beer before golf. Maybe you are, and God bless you, but at least pick up a newspaper or talk to the golf caddy or the pro shop clerk or bartender or janitor, to at least be aware of and find out what much of America is like and has been going through.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'S')S: (an unfortunate set of initials)

[Sixstrings]

I don't like to argue about all this so much and get into deep philosophy, they just haven't raised the darn minimum wage for sixteen years or something and it's past time they did, it's simple as that.

All I can say is look folks, I have family and some people I know that work for less than $15 an hour and they really do need that more livable wage.

Maybe some of you conservatives actually live in blue states. And there's not so much poverty. Well, I live in a red state and it's one of the highest levels of income disparity. There's poor people all over the place, in my town.

It didn't used to be that way, it's gone downhill over the years. Maybe it was NAFTA that did it. Maybe it was Republican / corporate democrat type federal polices. And, my state going big time tea party and now it's like 3rd world around here.

I don't know what the blame is, but while I'm not in dire poverty and don't work for minimum wage.. all I know is that in my state and community it really does need to be $15 an hour, and I'll just have to respectfully disagree with those of you that are against it.

I'm glad California did this, it moves the issue forward, next up will probably be New York state. And then finally, congress will probably do $12 an hour.

I HONESTLY, genuinely, believe this would be good for the real economy GDP growth and it's good for everybody, even millionaires and billionaires. There are many phd economists that say the same thing. And it just makes common sense to me.

What more can I say, I'm old enough to remember that there always used to be a minimum wage and they always used to raise it about every seven years, so I just think that's how it should continue to be. (the ideal would be to set it, then peg it to inflation and then we don't have to deal with this issue again)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')color=#0000BF]A Major Leap for the Minimum Wage

When it began a few years ago, the campaign for a $15 minimum hourly minimum wage seemed little more than a populist pipe dream. ...

That goal looks much different now, as two of the nation’s largest states are poised to write $15 minimum wages into law within the span of a week. Both California and New York would phase in their increases over several years, but simply enshrining a path to $15 marks a rapid advance that has surprised liberal activists and economists alike.[/color]
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/a-major-leap-for-the-minimum-wage/475920/

[vtsnowedin]

Students were borrowing money to go to college in 1974. all $2000 per year of it. I did not because I had $1400 in the bank from raising dairy cattle while in high school and won a couple of small scholarships and grants. My second (two year school) year I commuted from home so the bill was only $800.
Yes Ford tried to whip inflation but the Democratic controlled congress thwarted his efforts. Under Carter it got up around 15% a year while I was getting cost of living raises of five to nine percent.
To my mind Reagan's deficit for defense spending was just as wrong as Carters deficit for welfare programs.

[Shaved Monkey]

This is in the Australian paper today.
It has a good graph comparing OECD minimum wages over time.

Unions call for $30 increase in weekly minimum wage
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ustralian Council of Trade Unions has asked for the full-time wage for adults to be increased from $656.90 to $686.90 per week.
That would raise the hourly rate from $17.29 to $18.08.